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02-03-2010, 11:37 AM
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Pens possibly in on Torres?

Up on the trade board figured I'd throw it on here. Raffi Torres of the Jackets is obviously on the block. Says the Pens, Caps, and Rangers are most likely to get him and it seems the way the article is written have inquired already about it.

http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/live/...H.html?sid=101

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02-03-2010, 11:39 AM
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He's the most likely candidate IMO... cheapest price, WC team, would do a pretty good job of fitting in where he's needed. Otherwise it's going to be WBS call-up time permanently for a couple guys after the deadline. Probably Jeffrey and Lovejoy.

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He's the most likely candidate IMO... cheapest price, WC team, would do a pretty good job of fitting in where he's needed. Otherwise it's going to be WBS call-up time permanently for a couple guys after the deadline. Probably Jeffrey and Lovejoy.
I would definitely want Ponikarovski over him (at the deadline). He is better at... everything, and should still be affordable.

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I mentioned this the other day. I think he's a fallback option if we miss out on the Whitney's etc. Another poster (Jag68Sid87) Didn't like it because Raffi is mostly a decent PP guy that only plays about 12-13 minutes per/game right now and 2-3 minutes of that is on the PP. Clearly Shero would have to believe that Raffi could play an expanded role on the Pens or the move wouldn't make much sense.

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I would definitely want Ponikarovski over him (at the deadline). He is better at... everything, and should still be affordable.
Agreed, I just doubt Poni goes anywhere now that the Leafs moved all of their forwards.

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Ponikarovsky will without a doubt be going. They are still looking to get as many (or as high a) picks as possible. They have Stalberg to bring up to replace Poni when he's dealt...and he will be dealt. I don't want him, though. Too pricey.

I don't want Torres, either. He's purely a PP specialist. I'd rather get Tkachuk, who has the face-off value, the experience, the size and grit, the versatility to play center, etc. etc. etc.

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Agreed, I just doubt Poni goes anywhere now that the Leafs moved all of their forwards.
Actually to me it seems Burke is trying to shed almost all of the contracts from the previous GM and shed dead weight. TSN has Poni being traded still, probably for a pick to try and get some piece of what they lost to get Kessel back.

I would be completely fine with a 3rd + Mid level prospect or a 2nd flat. I think that is very fair, and the up side for Poni is that he is completely resignable for next season.

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I heard that Afinogenov wanted to be included in the deal that eventually sends Kovalchuk packing, so I assume that means he's available. I know, I know...no one likes him...he's soft, doesn't play defense, is probably a jerk...but he's cap friendly and would probably come cheap. He's really slowed down over the past month or so though...but so has most of Atlanta.

He meshed well with Kovalchuk early on, so I'd assume he'd be aight with Malkin. Maybe we even get a little preview of how he plays with Geno at the Olympics? Ah! Ah? oh.

And Ray-Ray has a history of swinging deals with Waddell, so maybe he picks up the phone.

I'd prefer him as a rental over a lot of the other players that are being rumored. Could be a low risk, high reward type move...just like when Atlanta signed him in the summer.

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I heard that Afinogenov wanted to be included in the deal that eventually sends Kovalchuk packing, so I assume that means he's available. I know, I know...no one likes him...he's soft, doesn't play defense, is probably a jerk...but he's cap friendly and would probably come cheap. He's really slowed down over the past month or so though...but so has most of Atlanta.

He meshed well with Kovalchuk early on, so I'd assume he'd be aight with Malkin. Maybe we even get a little preview of how he plays with Geno at the Olympics? Ah! Ah? oh.

And Ray-Ray has a history of swinging deals with Waddell, so maybe he picks up the phone.

I'd prefer him as a rental over a lot of the other players that are being rumored. Could be a low risk, high reward type move...just like when Atlanta signed him in the summer.
Afinogenov definitely isn't the guy I think of when I think "playoff warrior," but if Shero could get him cheap, like REALLY cheap, somehow, I guess I'd be okay with that, as long as Afinogenov isn't the only deadline acquisition.

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I suppose our cap situation will define what we do.

The thing is, I'd rather have a healthy Max Talbot on Malkin's RW than Max Afinogenov in the playoffs.

But will we see a healthy Mad Max at any point in 2009-10?

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But will we see a healthy Mad Max at any point in 2009-10?
He's saving himself for game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals.

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Actually to me it seems Burke is trying to shed almost all of the contracts from the previous GM and shed dead weight. TSN has Poni being traded still, probably for a pick to try and get some piece of what they lost to get Kessel back.

I would be completely fine with a 3rd + Mid level prospect or a 2nd flat. I think that is very fair, and the up side for Poni is that he is completely resignable for next season.
I'd be happy with getting Poni for that. For some reason I think he'd be the rental player most likely to re-sign with us in the offseason.

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I know, I know...no one likes him...he's soft, doesn't play defense, is probably a jerk...
I don't believe the latter part . I've interviewed Elena Dementieva, and she is just too sweet and smart to be with an ass for that long.

Anyway, perhaps Afinogenov's numbers this season will hike the price too much, but if not, I agree that could be worth a go. Somewhat more risky than other options but also with more upside.

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Remember, Waddell is asking for NHL talent in return for Kovalchuk. He's trying to keep the ship from sinking, and he's still very much trying to make the playoffs.

When Kovalchuk leaves, they're going to need Afinogenov more than ever before. And I think teams will want to know if the speedy No. 61 is ready for that challenge. He could help his UFA status immensely this summer if he produces after Kovalchuk leaves. If he sulks, then he could expect another dry summer, offers-wise.

I seriously doubt Waddell wants to deal anybody other than Kovalchuk while he tries to stay in the playoff race.

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Remember, Waddell is asking for NHL talent in return for Kovalchuk. He's trying to keep the ship from sinking, and he's still very much trying to make the playoffs.

When Kovalchuk leaves, they're going to need Afinogenov more than ever before. And I think teams will want to know if the speedy No. 61 is ready for that challenge. He could help his UFA status immensely this summer if he produces after Kovalchuk leaves. If he sulks, then he could expect another dry summer, offers-wise.

I seriously doubt Waddell wants to deal anybody other than Kovalchuk while he tries to stay in the playoff race.
If you ask me, he should be let go. He's let all the superstars and star players on that team go. I don't consider Little a star player. He should have signed Kovalchuk and built the team around him, he may still have a chance if he trades Kovalchuk for another superstar and build around that player. I'd hate to be a Thrashers fan for sure.


As for your Tkachuk coment....where is he going to fit? our top 3 C's are all on different lines come playoff time unless he can play wing and take Geno's faceoffs.

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Remember, Waddell is asking for NHL talent in return for Kovalchuk. He's trying to keep the ship from sinking, and he's still very much trying to make the playoffs.

When Kovalchuk leaves, they're going to need Afinogenov more than ever before. And I think teams will want to know if the speedy No. 61 is ready for that challenge. He could help his UFA status immensely this summer if he produces after Kovalchuk leaves. If he sulks, then he could expect another dry summer, offers-wise.

I seriously doubt Waddell wants to deal anybody other than Kovalchuk while he tries to stay in the playoff race.
I just see the trading of Kovalchuk as the white flag for the Thrashers. If and when he's dealt, they'll fall off and that'll be that.

Losing Afinogenov for nothing is silly if that's the reason you're dealing Kovalchuk. Sure the return won't be in the same stratosphere, but assets are assets.

If some team is willing to deal even a 3rd round pick for Afinogenov, then the Thrashers should take it imo. It'd be like they signed a 3rd round pick this past summer. That's what good GMs do, they hustle even when their team isn't.

Having said that...Waddell is proving he's not really a good GM. You can't keep letting core players leave. That says a lot about the organization and the people who run it.

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IHWR, I'm with you. I'm just going by what all the talk centered around Waddell suggests.

The situation in Atlanta is pretty dire, though. A 3rd round pick means very little to that franchise right now. They're in survival mode. If they have to relocate, their new city won't mind a massive rebuild.

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Would Torres fill the 3rd line with Kennedy/Cooke, maybe?

Because if Staal/Malkin/Dupuis continue to produce (at least until Dupuis gets moved) I couldn't imagine another speedy/gritty guy like Torres being kept away from that line.

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Would Torres fill the 3rd line with Kennedy/Cooke, maybe?

Because if Staal/Malkin/Dupuis continue to produce (at least until Dupuis gets moved) I couldn't imagine another speedy/gritty guy like Torres being kept away from that line.
Can Torres play center? I would think at this point Kennedy is a winger for life so we wouldn't move him back. If we kept Staal on the 2nd line for the rest of the year and acquired Torres at the deadline I'd picture our playoff lines to be more like this:

Kunitz - Crosby - Guerin
Torres - Staal - Malkin
Cooke - Talbot - Kennedy
Dupuis - Adams - Rupp/Fedo

Hmm, not sure that makes us any better...

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Can Torres play center? I would think at this point Kennedy is a winger for life so we wouldn't move him back. If we kept Staal on the 2nd line for the rest of the year and acquired Torres at the deadline I'd picture our playoff lines to be more like this:

Kunitz - Crosby - Guerin
Torres - Staal - Malkin
Cooke - Talbot - Kennedy
Dupuis - Adams - Rupp/Fedo

Hmm, not sure that makes us any better...
Nope, hes not a center. What he would bring you is grit and goal scoring. On the Oilers run to the finals, Torres-Peca-Pisani was the best third line I had ever seen.
Raffi took Michalek out with a clean but devestating hit and the Sharks never recovered, winning the series for the Oilers, along with many other punishing hits along the way.

To me, a guy like Raffi Torres in infinately more valuable to a team like the Pens than a bum like Poni, and its not even close.

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Nope, hes not a center. What he would bring you is grit and goal scoring. On the Oilers run to the finals, Torres-Peca-Pisani was the best third line I had ever seen.
Raffi took Michalek out with a clean but devestating hit and the Sharks never recovered, winning the series for the Oilers, along with many other punishing hits along the way.

To me, a guy like Raffi Torres in infinately more valuable to a team like the Pens than a bum like Poni, and its not even close.
Oh and you know what this team needs more of, it's 3rd line wingers with grit!

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Oh and you know what this team needs more of, it's 3rd line wingers with grit!
As much as I like to watch "scoring" wingers, I don't hate the idea of having the best center trio and just building around them with guys like Kunitz and Torres.

Kunitz was damn good in the playoffs last year, and to add a similar presence to Malkin's line would be great, I think.

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As much as I like to watch "scoring" wingers, I don't hate the idea of having the best center trio and just building around them with guys like Kunitz and Torres.

Kunitz was damn good in the playoffs last year, and to add a similar presence to Malkin's line would be great, I think.
Not sure I'd call 1 goal in 24 games "damn good", especially with how well he was clicking with Sid and Guerin after he was acquired. But yeah...he does a lot of the little things really well and he works his balls off. Those are good traits and he certainly isn't out of place on that line...but we can't keep putting grinders in the top 6 and expecting our centers to make it work.

It's no secret that we lack skilled, offensive wingers and I know I'd look for one of those before I'd grab another Kunitz. But really...we could add one of each...we're that thin on the wings.

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Theres really no point in trading assets for guys that have a skillset that is obtainable via free agency and waivers. Using a trade chip on this guy is a complete waste and should be used in an area that we can't easily obtain.

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Not sure I'd call 1 goal in 24 games "damn good", especially with how well he was clicking with Sid and Guerin after he was acquired.

That is something that really boggles me. I keep hearing from people that Kunitz was great in the playoffs, or he is a playoff performer but man oh man he is a 1st line winger and 1 goal in 24 games is not the mark of a playoff performer.

People here are worrying about Fedotenko when it comes to the playoffs but what they really should worry about is Kunitz and his 3.75 mill cap hit laying another egg on us.

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