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01-15-2010, 08:48 PM
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Marc Pouliot: Did the Oilers draft the wrong player or did they ruin a good prospect?

We all know the Parise/Getzlaf story and the majority of posters here seem to think the Oilers took the wrong guy.

Perhaps, but the past couple of years, in my opinion, have exposed the Oilers management's inability/unwillingness to create the conditions in which young players can excel (see Gagner, Cogliano, Schremp etc)...
And... Pouliot was, in fact, widely regarded as a very good prospect at the time.

Just curious what would have happened if say the Oilers did take Parise and Devils or Anaheim picked up Pouliot...I think it's not inconceivable that Parise would end up being similar to Cogliano on the Oilers. And Pouliot could have gone on to have a Zajac type break-out on the Devils...

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Pouliot has gotten all of the opportunity in the world to succeed. He can't seem to put it together offensively and just when he seems to be making strides in other facets of the game - defense/face-offs - he gets sick or injured.

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Pouliot has gotten all of the opportunity in the world to succeed. He can't seem to put it together offensively and just when he seems to be making strides in other facets of the game - defense/face-offs - he gets sick or injured.
Sounds like the Oilers version of Marcel Goc. Pouliot may not be worth the top 5 pick, but if he can have a solid career as a
3rd liner that fills in on the 2nd line then that would still be very good.

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Pouliot has gotten all of the opportunity in the world to succeed. He can't seem to put it together offensively and just when he seems to be making strides in other facets of the game - defense/face-offs - he gets sick or injured.
like playing on Penguins' farm team that emphasized developing Penguins prospects?

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wrong player

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like playing on Penguins' farm team that emphasized developing Penguins prospects?
Yeah, that period sucked for all of our young players. That said, he didn't struggle there with 31 points in 33 games.

Anyway, the Oilers are still high on Pouliot judging from Quinn's comments about the kid over the course of the season here and I fully expect him to be given a chance to play in every situation once he's done his conditioning stint.

Watch him break out and help pull the Oilers out of a lottery spot.

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Wrong player -- not because he's not very good or because of Parise or whatever, but because that's where we are with our 20/20 hindsight.

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Basically like with Schremp--HIs numbers were inflated--we now know that when it comes to the Q--you need to take the stats with five pinches of sugar

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What ruined Pouliot was multiple long term injuries early in his career (apparently later in his career as well) more than anything. Any time he seemed to be turning a corner or gaining some momentum, he'd have abdominal surgery, or mono, or pubitis, or whatever. It's just been one thing after another, and unfortunately seems like it's caused more setbacks during crucial points in his development than he's been able to overcome.

Obviously trading away the opportunity to draft Parise was a big mistake, but as for picking him when they did get up to make their selection, it's pretty tough to fault them on it. Pouliot was projected to go about where he did, and I think MacKenzie had him as the top rated guy available. As for him being ruined, I don't see how they did that.

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I can't believe that there is another MAP thread.

MAP's numbers were inflated because of who he was playing with. He isnt very good, and probably never will be. Simple as that.

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I can't believe that there is another MAP thread.

MAP's numbers were inflated because of who he was playing with. He isnt very good, and probably never will be. Simple as that.
And who was that, the year he was drafted? [that being the year that matters, and all]

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He has never had the chance other players have had maybe because of injury maybe because of management but untill he is given that chance we will never know for sure
IMO the former Oil management almost ruined him. There is hope still

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Pouliot was the best player on his team the year he was drafted. It bugs me that people say he looked good because of his team mates. He had 33 more points than the second highest scorer on his teams roster.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...010282003.html

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That draft will always haunt us.

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He can't do anything with the puck. His hockey IQ was greatly overestimated because of who he was playing with in the juniors.

I think he's a great stick handler... he's good and bringing the puck through the neutral zone... but he sucks at passing, shooting, winning battles, tip-ins, blocking shots... just... no get him off my team.

I like Poltuny much more.

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Both, the player thoroughly sucks but our minor league system has been such a total Cluster F for years who knows.

I had liked Parise A LOT before that draft. When he fell into our laps I was so damn happy. Then shocked.

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He can't do anything with the puck. His hockey IQ was greatly overestimated because of who he was playing with in the juniors.
Who did he play with during his draft year?

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well the fact we did not have an AHL team may of slowed/stunted the progress of some prospects....Pouliot,Schremp,JFJ,JDD.....all had to play 2nd fiddle on another teams ahl affiliate...

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Who did he play with during his draft year?
Crosby.

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Crosby.
Nope. MAP was drafted a year before Crosby got there.

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I think it's a very good question. It's probably the former answer, but I agree... there seems to be a lot of this in the system. Go back 10 years, 20 years of 1st or 1st and 2nd round draft picks...

...would you, average fan, have done much worse if you had a copy of The Hockey News draft edition and nothing else?

It's a good question. Maybe Schremp's career path will provide an answer.

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Who did he play with during his draft year?
Sid the kid his last year of junior. As stated he was drafted before Sid was there. I stand corrected.

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Sid the kid.
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He may not have played with Crosby in his draft year but his production wasn't exactly overwhelming. His whopping 73 points didn't even put him in the top 35 in league scoring. I've never thought highly of the guy and he's done nothing to change my opinion. He's the definition of a tweener and while some see some bigtime defensive forward upside, I just don't see anywhere near the grit, tenacity, size or defensive awareness to be a bottom six player. It's becoming pretty apparent that he's not going to be a top six NHLer anytime soon. He's a career AHLer as far as I'm concerned so ya, we took the wrong player.

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