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01-15-2010, 11:34 PM
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Wrong player.

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01-15-2010, 11:35 PM
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He can't do anything with the puck. His hockey IQ was greatly overestimated because of who he was playing with in the juniors.

I think he's a great stick handler... he's good and bringing the puck through the neutral zone... but he sucks at passing, shooting, winning battles, tip-ins, blocking shots... just... no get him off my team.

I like Poltuny much more.
I disagree with most of this post. Pou has a pretty good shot and can pass. In fact, all of his fundamentals seem ok.

IMO the guy just looks lost on the ice and perhaps is over thinking things. Some of that could be do to lack development, but maybe he just needs a shrink or a change of team.

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01-15-2010, 11:41 PM
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He may not have played with Crosby in his draft year but his production wasn't exactly overwhelming. His whopping 73 points didn't even put him in the top 35 in league scoring.
But he was a sophomore and his team and teammates were so miserable! If he was a Top 10 scorer there, he probably would have went Top 10, easy. That's poor criteria to evaluate him by (at that time).

I don't think anybody could fault anybody for thinking, back in 2003, that Pouliot was going to be a fine NHL player.

Better than Parise? Better than Getzlaf? Better than Richards, Kesler, Perry, Burns?

Sure.

But a fine NHLer?

I don't think a total bust was that easy to crystal ball, dude.

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01-15-2010, 11:45 PM
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Both.

He had injuries that slowed down the development but he wasnt given the opportunity to paly an offensive role with the team... I mean a real chance to get there..

On the other hand he never had that potential to be a superstar a la Parise or Getzlaf... he was project to be a 2nd liner at best. 2003 was exceptionnal because it turns out to have superstars coming from late first round but in every other year its pretty uncommon

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01-15-2010, 11:51 PM
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Of course looking back they picked the wrong player. However if people stop bashing the guy because of who we could have picked instead and just look at the player, I think there are some signs of a good NHL'er.

Just from watching him I like Pouliot. Doesn't blow you away with anything but is decent at everything. Decent frame/skating/shot/skill/sense/defensive play. He is a guy who I think makes a great linemate. Good simple plays.

Looking at his stats also paints an interesting picture.

In the NHL he has gone
20 years old 8GP 1P (.13 ppg)
21 years old 46 GP 11 P (.24 ppg)
22 years old 24 GP 7 P (.29 ppg)
23 years old 63 GP 20 P (.32ppg)

Nothing earth shattering but he has slowly improved every year in very limited icetime. A few more seasons of similiar improvement and maybe a little bit more icetime and this is a 40 point 3rd liner IMO which wouldn't be bad at this point.

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01-16-2010, 12:08 AM
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Wrong player. Hated the pick then, and he's done nothing to change my opinion.

I was pretty torqued when Lowe traded down with Parise falling right into their laps. Considering some of the players that went AFTER Pouliot in the 1st round or who else they could have picked at 17 if they just kept the pick and passed on Parise (uuh Getzlaf anyone??) this has to be right up there with picking Ninnimaki in 2002 if you ask me.

No wonder we're in the shape we're in now

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01-16-2010, 12:11 AM
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Looking back at the draft year you can say they made a bad selection

but the reality is that the draft is really a crap shoot and Marc Pouliot was a guy they didn't draft to be a scorer. Hes a guy they drafted to be a leadership type of guy who had the ability to score big goals.

People forget that if he didn't contract mono he would have been on the 06 playoff team

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01-16-2010, 12:24 AM
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Wrong player

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01-16-2010, 12:52 AM
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Who did he play with during his draft year?
He would've spent some time with Crosby, and maybe some with Frolik and Clowe... but I was wrong. I thought that Crosby and him had the same draft year and that they come through together... I was very wrong.

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01-16-2010, 12:58 AM
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MAP had a very good draft year on a very young team in Rimouski that year. Someone said he "only" got 73 points that year like it was a bad thing but if you consider that Patrice Bergeron had 73 points on a very good team in Acadie-Bathurst that year it starts to make sense as to his high draft ranking.

In fact I think MAP and Bergeron were always compared to one another and many scouts and scouting orgs had marked MAP as the better player that year and probably the best forward in the Q class.

In hindsight it was a poor pick but at the time not so. I don't remember anyone screaming online that the Oilers missed out on Parise or Getzlaff at the time. Armchair GMing is fun at times but sometimes enough is enough

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01-16-2010, 02:35 AM
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MAP had a very good draft year on a very young team in Rimouski that year. Someone said he "only" got 73 points that year like it was a bad thing but if you consider that Patrice Bergeron had 73 points on a very good team in Acadie-Bathurst that year it starts to make sense as to his high draft ranking.

In fact I think MAP and Bergeron were always compared to one another and many scouts and scouting orgs had marked MAP as the better player that year and probably the best forward in the Q class.

In hindsight it was a poor pick but at the time not so. I don't remember anyone screaming online that the Oilers missed out on Parise or Getzlaff at the time. Armchair GMing is fun at times but sometimes enough is enough
I remember the Oilers scouts and Klowe was raving about how Pouliot was playing so well on a bad team Rimouski. It is a view that i don't share.

Pouliot got all those points, big ice time, 1st unit power play opportunity, because he's a decent player on a weak team. If he was on a team with higher end guys, then you would be able to compare him to those guys and would clearly see he's not as good as the top guys. For example, Gagner played with Kane in Jr, and as good as Gagner is he went 6th, Kane went 1st and also proven that he is better player in the NHL as in Jr.

It's a false impression that Pouliot is a top prospect. And we fell for that because of bad scouting.

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01-16-2010, 03:54 AM
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What about the Tampa Bay Lightning, Anaheim Ducks, or Phoenix Coyotes? Why didn't they use their first round pick of the 2001 NHL Entry Draft to get Ales Hemsky?

Does that called bad scouting for these teams?

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01-16-2010, 04:02 AM
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Why didn't Minnesota, Chicago, or Ottawa picked Anze Kopitar in the 2005 NHL Entry Draft?


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01-16-2010, 10:24 AM
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I like Pouliot and I've seen growth in his game each year. I honestly believe if not for the Mono he had after he was drafted he would be farther along. I know it is easy to hate him because of his draft status vs production, but I would suggest giving him a clean slate when he comes back later this year. Try be impartial and take a good hard look at him.

It's hard to answer the question, there is a player in there I think, injuries have not helped, but the Oilers do not have the best track record at developing players recently either.


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He may not have played with Crosby in his draft year but his production wasn't exactly overwhelming. His whopping 73 points didn't even put him in the top 35 in league scoring. I've never thought highly of the guy and he's done nothing to change my opinion. He's the definition of a tweener and while some see some bigtime defensive forward upside, I just don't see anywhere near the grit, tenacity, size or defensive awareness to be a bottom six player. It's becoming pretty apparent that he's not going to be a top six NHLer anytime soon. He's a career AHLer as far as I'm concerned so ya, we took the wrong player.
Pouliot 32 goals in 65 games, Hemsky 36 Goals in 68 games during his draft year...both very respectable numbers as 17 years olds in there first season in the Q.

Theres no question we picked the wrong player, but Pouliot always did have some game in him, and still has the chance to put it all together if he can stay healthy.

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Pouliot 32 goals in 65 games, Hemsky 36 Goals in 68 games during his draft year...both very respectable numbers as 17 years olds in there first season in the Q.

Theres no question we picked the wrong player, but Pouliot always did have some game in him, and still has the chance to put it all together if he can stay healthy.
I agree Pouliot has really hasn't had a chance with his injuries.

We all know the Oilers missed the boat with Parise, but that shouldn't be put against Pouliot, that is Oilers management. As a first round draft pick he is underwhelming especially considering how great the '03 draft was. So I would say at this point he is a semi-bust, but this guy will have an NHL career, just not top line.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 600 games in this league.

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The irony is that Pouliot racking up points on a poor team is exactly the argument the Seguin clique are sporting now. I'd rather go with Hall, personally...

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01-16-2010, 12:31 PM
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just the wrong player..

however this does bring up an interesting point-- our ability to develop talents..

in the last decade, the notable products from our development system are: weight, smyth, arnott, comrie, hemsky, horcoff, brewer, hamerilik, mironov, niinamaa, poti.

the defensive development has certainly been very good. But the offensive talents are suspect to say the least especially in the recent years.. what gives?..

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I remember the Oilers scouts and Klowe was raving about how Pouliot was playing so well on a bad team Rimouski. It is a view that i don't share.

Pouliot got all those points, big ice time, 1st unit power play opportunity, because he's a decent player on a weak team. If he was on a team with higher end guys, then you would be able to compare him to those guys and would clearly see he's not as good as the top guys. For example, Gagner played with Kane in Jr, and as good as Gagner is he went 6th, Kane went 1st and also proven that he is better player in the NHL as in Jr.

It's a false impression that Pouliot is a top prospect. And we fell for that because of bad scouting.
Actually you are totally wrong. If you are the best players on a weak team then you are constantly facing the best players on a stronger team which in most cases would be 19 and 20 year old players with 4-5 years experience in the league. You don't really compare players on the same team. You compare then against the opposition they play against whether its the Q players or at tournaments like the Under 17s,18s or Top prospect games.

MAP production only went up year after year as well. He also made a fine transition to the Pro level with a very good first year in the AHL.

The 2007-2008 season he should have been given a better chance to show his skills but was pushed down the depth chart in favor of Gagner and he was used poorly by the then teams coaching staff. You don't draft this kind of player who has put up numbers in Junior and the AHL level then ask him to be a checker.

I think there is opportunity for him this year when he gets back into shape in the NHL. I would like to see him slot into the lineup and play in the top 6 for an extended period of time

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01-16-2010, 01:05 PM
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I'd rather have Getzlaf then Parise but based on the best player available at the time we should have taken Parise. When it was our turn to pick TSN was saying Parise was the best player left and that's who the Oilers should take. When we traded the pick I was upset. Atleast in recent years our drafting has gotten better (but 3 of those 5 picks will be top 10 so I guess we couldn't screw up too bad).

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01-16-2010, 01:29 PM
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There's time. It's not like we are going anywhere. Might as well give him a chance. We did trade Brodziak assuming he would take up a roster spot after all.

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There's time. It's not like we are going anywhere. Might as well give him a chance. We did trade Brodziak assuming he would take up a roster spot after all.
I think this year's might be Pouliot's last chance. I hope he gets opportunities with good players. With Cogliano maybe? Can't do any worse than Moreau, can he?

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still see Pouliot following a similar career path to dan Cleary........High scoring junior that develops into a very good two way 3rd liner

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Mostly the wrong player, but the Oilers certainly could have done a better job by having their own AHL affiliate.

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I don't think he's done yet. Put him on a line with better players and he'll play to their level and raise his level of play.

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