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01-15-2010, 11:06 PM
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-Laraque




-everyone else
He's starting to slip now. Age takes it's toll after awhile.

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01-15-2010, 11:07 PM
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This argument... again.....

The differnce is that there are no weight classes in the NHL. The role of the fighter in the NHL is to be an enforcer and take on the other team's top guys. Unless you can consistently take on the 260+lbs guys you are not considered a great fighter in the NHL.

Rypien may run train on the medium sized guys but unless he is stopping the Boogards, Goddards, and McGrattons from attacking the stars he is not in a fighter's role.

Rypien is a great energy guy, but not on the NHLs best fighters.

Rypien IS one of the NHL's best fighters, he uses boxing technique and has beaten up guys twice his size.

By your logic, only the big enforcers can be the best fighters. And what do you mean, there are no weight classes in the NHL, of course there are. Heavyweights (Laraque, boogaard), light heavyweights (thornton, hordichuk), middleweights (Iginla, getzlaf, etc), and lightweights (Avery). Rypien is a light middleweight to me.

The best fighter should be decided when you consider size, and in this context Rypien is an amazing fighter. Imagine him in Boogaard's body, he would be an absolute menace.

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01-15-2010, 11:07 PM
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This argument... again.....

The differnce is that there are no weight classes in the NHL. The role of the fighter in the NHL is to be an enforcer and take on the other team's top guys. Unless you can consistently take on the 260+lbs guys you are not considered a great fighter in the NHL.

Rypien may run train on the medium sized guys but unless he is stopping the Boogards, Goddards, and McGrattons from attacking the stars he is not in a fighter's role.

Rypien is a great energy guy, but not on the NHLs best fighters.
Hal Gill = 6'7 241
Valabik = 6'7 245
Stortini = 6'3 228

Not big enough for you?

How big is Rypien again?

O yea 5'11 170

Guess what winning fights pumps a team up and watching your teammate get ***** kicked not so much...
Rypiens fight card 10-1 id say thats top 5 worthy especially for a 170 pound guy.

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01-15-2010, 11:13 PM
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Ok.... who do you consider top 10? anyone who doesnt play in the west?
Yeah, because I have something against the West.

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he fought hal gil, prust x3, stortini x2, brad may, cody mcleod, ben eager, boris valabik, and janssen. Where he lost 1 to prust. But you go ahead and name your top 10.
Gill is a terrible fighter, Prust is a middleweight, Stortini is a heavy but he's one of the worst heavies, May is so over the hill, McLeod is a middle, Eager is a middle, Valabik is a terrible fighter, Janssen is a guy like Neil, Rypien's biggest win.

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Ok.... who do you consider top 10?
I don't really have a list made up, but here.

1) Boogaard
2) MacIntyre
3) Godard
4) Orr
5) McGrattan
6) Carkner
7) Scott
8) Laraque
9) Belak
10) Raitis Ivanans
Plus: Shelley, Brashear, Koci

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And what do you mean, there are no weight classes in the NHL, of course there are. Heavyweights (Laraque, boogaard), light heavyweights (thornton, hordichuk), middleweights (Iginla, getzlaf, etc), and lightweights (Avery). Rypien is a light middleweight to me.
He's pointing out why the GSP comparison was dumb. Rypien would be one of the best if we're talking about P4P, but we're not. He doesn't fight the best fighters, he can't even be in contention for the best in general, not taking size into account (which you shouldn't, since it's not asking P4P).

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01-15-2010, 11:16 PM
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I can't wait until DJ King is healthy again.
He was a top five fighter on a lot of peoples list until the injuries ran last year and then this year.

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01-15-2010, 11:17 PM
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He might not be the best heavy weight, but Ivanans can hold his own against anyone on skates.

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01-15-2010, 11:22 PM
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Gill is a terrible fighter, Prust is a middleweight, Stortini is a heavy but he's one of the worst heavies, May is so over the hill, McLeod is a middle, Eager is a middle, Valabik is a terrible fighter, Janssen is a guy like Neil, Rypien's biggest win.
So apparently Rypien fights terrible fighters, middle weights and old men and not one person Rypien fights is worthy of even being called a fight. If that wasnt blind hate I dont know what was.

The fact that he effectivly takes down people with a couple inches of reach and 60+ pounds on him is an amazing show of his ability. Give him a 6'7 frame and 60 more pounds so he can actually fight Boogard.

With the way you classify fighters GSP wouldnt even be top 100 in the ufc because hes not a heavy weight fighter.

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01-15-2010, 11:28 PM
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The fact that he effectivly takes down people with a couple inches of reach and 60+ pounds on him is an amazing show of his ability. Give him a 6'7 frame and 60 more pounds so he can actually fight Boogard.
None of that is relevant. You don't seem to be understanding. The question isn't "who would be the best fighter if they grew 8 inches and 60 pounds". I like how you ignore the rest of my post though. You're trying to make it seem like I hate Rypien, when I've already said I'm a fan of the guy.

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01-15-2010, 11:29 PM
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So apparently Rypien fights terrible fighters, middle weights and old men and not one person Rypien fights is worthy of even being called a fight. If that wasnt blind hate I dont know what was.

The fact that he effectivly takes down people with a couple inches of reach and 60+ pounds on him is an amazing show of his ability. Give him a 6'7 frame and 60 more pounds so he can actually fight Boogard.

With the way you classify fighters GSP wouldnt even be top 100 in the ufc because hes not a heavy weight fighter.
To be honest, Gill and Valabik are horrible fighters. All size nothing else and Stortini... yeah. He's as brutal as they come.

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01-15-2010, 11:30 PM
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Chris Neil is pretty good, same with Carkner.

Not going to make a list because I don't know enough about other fighters.

I do know that Orr and Carkner belong in the top 10 , and maybe even the top 5
Neil is a great middleweight, but he's nowhere near the best in the league.

Carkner is making a name for himself tho, but he needs to prove a bit more before i put him up there just yet.

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01-15-2010, 11:32 PM
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That's a terrible comparison.
Because the thread isn't asking for the top 10 P4P.
So basically what you are saying is that if he isnt a heavyweight, he doesnt make the top 10...

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01-15-2010, 11:33 PM
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So basically what you are saying is that if he isnt a heavyweight, he doesnt make the top 10...
Are we talking best pound for pound fighter or the best period?

I thought we were talking best overall. If so, middleweights can't be considered.

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01-15-2010, 11:34 PM
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None of that is relevant. You don't seem to be understanding. The question isn't "who would be the best fighter if they grew 8 inches and 60 pounds". I like how you ignore the rest of my post though. You're trying to make it seem like I hate Rypien, when I've already said I'm a fan of the guy.
I know what your getting, Rypien vs Boogard is Boogard becuase he'd beat the crap out of Rypien yes. But how is it just to say one guy is a better fighter just because he was born with a larger frame and has a huge advantage over the other guy before they drop the gloves? Hardily fair, and a very vague way of listing fighters.

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01-15-2010, 11:41 PM
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So basically what you are saying is that if he isnt a heavyweight, he doesnt make the top 10...
Is it really that hard to understand? Rick Rypien is one of the better fighters in terms of P4P, but he is not one of the top 10 fighters in the NHL. If you look at his card, he hasn't fought anyone in the top 10, and there's a reason for that. I posted my list of 13 fighters that are all easily better fighters than Rypien.

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But how is it just to say one guy is a better fighter just because he was born with a larger frame and has a huge advantage over the other guy before they drop the gloves?
It's not fair, but it's life. Rypien is a great fighter, and has a warrior heart, but he can't match up to the top heavyweights like Boogey, Orr, Carkner, Godard, Laraque etc. It's certainly not for a lack of effort. He's a lot better than a lot of guys who are much bigger than him. Unfortunately there are guys who are 6'5 who are good fighters for their size too.

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01-15-2010, 11:45 PM
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Is it really that hard to understand? Rick Rypien is one of the better fighters in terms of P4P, but he is not one of the top 10 fighters in the NHL. If you look at his card, he hasn't fought anyone in the top 10, and there's a reason for that. I posted my list of 13 fighters that are all easily better fighters than Rypien.



It's not fair, but it's life. Rypien is a great fighter, and has a warrior heart, but he can't match up to the top heavyweights like Boogey, Orr, Carkner, Godard, Laraque etc. It's certainly not for a lack of effort. He's a lot better than a lot of guys who are much bigger than him. Unfortunately there are guys who are 6'5 who are good fighters for their size too.

Then the thread should be renamed best heavy weight fighter.

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01-15-2010, 11:54 PM
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Pound for pound

1. Rick Rypien
2. Cam Janssens
3. Aaron Asham
4. Dan Carcillo
5. Darcy Tucker...oh yeah, very skilled and intense fighter
Honorable mention to Brandon Prust

Heavyweights

1. Zdeno Chara
2. Derek Boogaard
3. Matt Carkner
4. Colton Orr
5. Eric Godard

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Damn, forgot about Chris Neil in the pound for pound caterogy

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if ovechkin is allowed to fight without his little body guard jumping in, i think he could destroy many people.

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01-16-2010, 12:04 AM
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if ovechkin is allowed to fight without his little body guard jumping in, i think he could destroy many people.
Ill believe it when i see it.

Has he even ever been in a real fight?

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01-16-2010, 12:10 AM
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Chara, Boogy, and Laraque.

Sorry Rypien fans, he was beaten easily by Eager, and would be launched into the second level against one of the top three. But I think its cute how many rush to defend Ryp, like he fixed their car broken down on the highway one night and as a payback they defend the guy until its a broken record.

He uses boxing tactics in fights, ya know

But its ok, you all can live thru him and defend him all you want, its a message board

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01-16-2010, 12:23 AM
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Thread needs a whole lot more Zdeno Chara.

I lol'd at the guy who named his top 10 and completely left Z off that list.

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Thread needs a whole lot more Zdeno Chara.

I lol'd at the guy who named his top 10 and completely left Z off that list.
please remember when he went with big georges and lost his balance? He may be strong but he has zero balance compared to real fighters.

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Zenon Konopka?

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1. Brian McGrattan
2. Colton Orr
3. Steve MacIntyre
4. Eric Godard
5. Derek Boogaard

HM: Raitias Ivanans, Paul Bissonnette, Cam Janssen, Rick Rypien

I can't put Laraque on here because he doesn't fight anymore

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Laraque
Brashear
Boogaard
Orr
McGrattan/Godard

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