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1/17/10 Does this teams sill need to add a superstar?

View Poll Results: Does this teams sill need to add a superstar?
if by superstar you mean draft youth, yes 50 90.91%
through trades yes 2 3.64%
we have superstars, who knows what's wrong with them now 0 0%
i don't know anymore 2 3.64%
other, please explain 1 1.82%
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01-17-2010, 11:09 AM
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1/17/10 Does this teams sill need to add a superstar?

Sharks roll over ailing Oilers
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...780/story.html

Oilers pull one monkey off their backs
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...711/story.html

Hard-luck Stone in kneed of rehab
http://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/my.../12500106.html

O'Sullivan snipes shortie
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Storyline getting old
http://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/my...99731-sun.html

Sharks notebook: Rookie Ferriero gets another shot with Sharks
http://www.mercurynews.com/sharks-headlines/ci_14209175

Springfield's Two-Man Show Trying to Lift Falcons Out of Atlantic Division ...
http://www.nesn.com/2010/01/springfi...-basement.html


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01-17-2010, 11:16 AM
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Only a foolish politician would put public money into a new arena in Edmonton, Peter Adler writes.
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Farm Report (Forwards)
http://lowetide.blogspot.com/2010/01...-forwards.html

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Edmonton - San Jose Post-Game: Screw You Guys, I'm Going Home
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"The Oilers have come to realize that they cannot win without a superstar"
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01-17-2010, 11:19 AM
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The Flames Need Rene Bourque
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An update on Timrå, Anton Lander & Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson
http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/1/17...a-anton-lander

Is it just me, or is Lander really starting to sound like a poor man's Zetterberg?

He has progressed better than I expected, and likely is better than even the top brass would have expected at his age. When I watched the Bronze metal game in Saskatoon, he stood out the most of all the Swedish forwards. This was partially because of all of the ice time he got, but also because he really never made any mistakes. This is kind of where I get my Zetterberg comps from.

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01-17-2010, 11:47 AM
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Thanks BB!

I notice you have a problem finding 'Hockey World' every Sunday. I usually find it online by going on the Edmonton Journal's main page and scrolling down a bit.

Here it is for today! Click the side links to get to all parts of the feature.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...715/story.html

EDIT: BTW, to anyone who thinks we aren't watching Jagr...

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- The Oilers may be sniffing around former Tampa Bay Lightning centre Alexander Svitov, a big, aggressive player, but he makes a big buck in the Kontinental League.
Alexander Svitov plays for Omsk in the KHL. Jagr stars for Omsk in the KHL.


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01-17-2010, 11:55 AM
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"We realize the odds are stacked in our favour to win these games, but you still have to go out and produce and play and play hard," Sharks forward Joe Thornton said.

"I thought the guys did a good job of not looking past them. It can easily be done with a team like that. It was a good win."
geez, Joe. That's just mean...even if it is true.

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01-17-2010, 02:07 PM
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The Oilers have needed a superstar for quite a while now, before Pronger it was Messier. Look at the NW teams, Calgary - Iginla, Kipper, Vancouver - The twins, Luongo, Colorado - Sakic, Forestburg, Dallas - Modano et al, Oilers... Hemsky? All the other teams have or had game breaker players, while the Oilers just keep searching for someone to play with Hemsky. We have to draft and trade to get there, but yes we do need a true superstar.

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The Oilers have always gone about this backwards.

First they need to shed under performing, overpaid veterans, build a young core in the same age range and then add elite talent.

3 to 5 years away IMO.

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01-17-2010, 02:15 PM
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Thanks BB!

I notice you have a problem finding 'Hockey World' every Sunday. I usually find it online by going on the Edmonton Journal's main page and scrolling down a bit.

Here it is for today! Click the side links to get to all parts of the feature.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...715/story.html

EDIT: BTW, to anyone who thinks we aren't watching Jagr...



Alexander Svitov plays for Omsk in the KHL. Jagr stars for Omsk in the KHL.
I wouldn't mind Svitov as our 3rd line center if the guy actually showed up for games. He rarely does though.

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01-17-2010, 02:16 PM
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The Oilers have always gone about this backwards.

First they need to shed under performing, overpaid veterans, build a young core in the same age range and then add elite talent.

3 to 5 years away IMO.
Couldn't have put this better myself. Need to completely restructure, and no more band-aids.

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01-17-2010, 03:10 PM
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The Oilers have always gone about this backwards.

First they need to shed under performing, overpaid veterans, build a young core in the same age range and then add elite talent.

3 to 5 years away IMO.
I finally agree with you.

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01-17-2010, 03:19 PM
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Ethan Moreau is getting on my nerves. His comments are pathetic.

From the Edmonton Sun

http://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/my...99731-sun.html

We played well, they just scored more goals than us - Ethan Moreau

"These close losses are starting to add up," understated Sam Gagner. "It can't happen; we can't be satisfied with just playing good games."

Another beauty by Ethan Moreau

"We weren't exactly on fire when we had everybody healthy, so it really hasn't changed much

Tell me why is this idiot captain. Until Moreau is traded, the Oilers won't improve.

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I just added another one, a short one, but would you trade Gagner and Visnovsky for Toronto's 1st and a short term salary dump? http://bryanbryoil.blogspot.com/2010...agner-and.html

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I just added another one, a short one, but would you trade Gagner and Visnovsky for Toronto's 1st and a short term salary dump? http://bryanbryoil.blogspot.com/2010...agner-and.html
No, not even close. Visnovsky and Gagner are two very good players, and Gagner looks like he's going to have his best season statistically yet. I think the difference between Seguin and Gagner is not all that large, and throwing in Visnovsky is just too much.

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Tell me why is this idiot captain. Until Moreau is traded, the Oilers won't improve.
Good. We can move him once the season is finished.

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I'd trade Gagner for a pile of pucks. Not so anxious to trade Visnovsky though - but one of the higher priced d-men is probably gonna have to go so, I suppose if that's what it takes to get rid of Gagner, I'd do it.

In my opinion, Gagner is going to hold up the rebuild big time. The Oilers are going to continue to hope that he's a real NHL center and pay him some crazy salary and then by the time slow-brained management figures out that he's not what they hoped, they won't be able to get rid of his contract and they'll be where they are right now with so many other contracts they have.

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I just added another one, a short one, but would you trade Gagner and Visnovsky for Toronto's 1st and a short term salary dump? http://bryanbryoil.blogspot.com/2010...agner-and.html
I wouldn't do it. If toronto moves up a few spots in the standings then what have you gained compared to what you have given up?

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I'd trade Gagner for a pile of pucks. Not so anxious to trade Visnovsky though - but one of the higher priced d-men is probably gonna have to go so, I suppose if that's what it takes to get rid of Gagner, I'd do it.

In my opinion, Gagner is going to hold up the rebuild big time. The Oilers are going to continue to hope that he's a real NHL center and pay him some crazy salary and then by the time slow-brained management figures out that he's not what they hoped, they won't be able to get rid of his contract and they'll be where they are right now with so many other contracts they have.
Lucky you're not in management. If you can't see what Gagner brings and what his future, and the Oilers, hold, I have to question whether you have any hockey knowledge at all or, at the very least, have no idea how to evaluate NHL players.

Gagner, unless it's for a current superstar, shouldn't be going anywhere. At 20 years old, he will fit perfectly with the rebuild and has the skills to be our 1st/2nd line center in the future.

Pile of pucks? Hold up the rebuild?

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I'd trade Gagner for a pile of pucks. Not so anxious to trade Visnovsky though - but one of the higher priced d-men is probably gonna have to go so, I suppose if that's what it takes to get rid of Gagner, I'd do it.

In my opinion, Gagner is going to hold up the rebuild big time. The Oilers are going to continue to hope that he's a real NHL center and pay him some crazy salary and then by the time slow-brained management figures out that he's not what they hoped, they won't be able to get rid of his contract and they'll be where they are right now with so many other contracts they have.
How can you like O'Sullivan's game but hate Gagner's?

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No, not even close. Visnovsky and Gagner are two very good players, and Gagner looks like he's going to have his best season statistically yet. I think the difference between Seguin and Gagner is not all that large, and throwing in Visnovsky is just too much.
Really?

Draft year

Gagner 53gp. 35-83-118 teams 3rd leading scorer
20 of his 35 goals were on the PP 50 of his assists were on the PP
he had 33 ES points in 53 games.
59% of his points came on the PP
43% of his goals came at ES

Seguin 41gp. 29-39-68 leads team in scoring
9 of his 29 goals were on the PP and
Seguin is bigger, faster, and 21 of his 39 assists were on the PP
he has 38 ES points in 41 games
44% of his points come on the PP
69% of his goals come at ES

The only concern I have with this deal is if the Leafs go on a run and we draft 5th or so. If it was for sure for a pick that could land us Seguin, I do this deal in a heart beat.

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Really?

Draft year

Gagner 53gp. 35-83-118 teams 3rd leading scorer
20 of his 35 goals were on the PP 50 of his assists were on the PP
he had 33 ES points in 53 games.
59% of his points came on the PP
43% of his goals came at ES

Seguin 41gp. 29-39-68 leads team in scoring
9 of his 29 goals were on the PP and
Seguin is bigger, faster, and 21 of his 39 assists were on the PP
he has 38 ES points in 41 games
44% of his points come on the PP
69% of his goals come at ES

The only concern I have with this deal is if the Leafs go on a run and we draft 5th or so. If it was for sure for a pick that could land us Seguin, I do this deal in a heart beat.
I think Gagner is going to be a consistant 70-80 point scorer in a couple of years. Unless you think Seguin's a 100 point player in his prime, then I don't see how you can justify dealing Gagner and Visnovsky for him. I would settle for just Hall and then try to pick up a few picks later in the first.

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I just added another one, a short one, but would you trade Gagner and Visnovsky for Toronto's 1st and a short term salary dump? http://bryanbryoil.blogspot.com/2010...agner-and.html

BBO

It has been suggested that I need to be nicer around here sometimes--you make it hard--How could the BB's offord Lubor 5.6 cap hit for the next 4 years?

and right now--some people would suggest that Lubir and Gagner do and up to a pick in the top 4

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Lucky you're not in management. If you can't see what Gagner brings and what his future, and the Oilers, hold, I have to question whether you have any hockey knowledge at all or, at the very least, have no idea how to evaluate NHL players.

Gagner, unless it's for a current superstar, shouldn't be going anywhere. At 20 years old, he will fit perfectly with the rebuild and has the skills to be our 1st/2nd line center in the future.

Pile of pucks? Hold up the rebuild?
Well for starters, the whole "oh, he's only 20" thing is really getting old [no pun intended]. I don't care what his age is. The fact of the matter he's played 201 games in the NHL. He's been given prime minutes on the top line and produced what exactly? He's not new here. And as far as skills go, well he's missing the primary skill required to be an NHL player, skating. He also gets knocked off the puck, doesn't use his linemates well, has horrible defensive lapses - if you think chasing the puck around is a skill, then yeah, I guess he's skilled alright.

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I think Gagner is going to be a consistant 70-80 point scorer in a couple of years.
So....you're saying you think he's going to be more productive than Hemsky?

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I finally agree with you.
I knew you would come around eventually.

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