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01-18-2010, 08:01 PM
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For a chance at the Stanley Cup.
Exactly. Upgrading one of their D to a player like Visnovsky could be huge, considering Visnovsky can be used in any game situation. He's also signed for a few more years, so he's not a rental, which I think fits in with Boston's window of playoff opportunity right now.

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01-18-2010, 09:03 PM
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Exactly. Upgrading one of their D to a player like Visnovsky could be huge, considering Visnovsky can be used in any game situation. He's also signed for a few more years, so he's not a rental, which I think fits in with Boston's window of playoff opportunity right now.
Visnovsky for Wideman+Colborn+Boston 1st?

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01-18-2010, 09:37 PM
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Exactly. Upgrading one of their D to a player like Visnovsky could be huge, considering Visnovsky can be used in any game situation. He's also signed for a few more years, so he's not a rental, which I think fits in with Boston's window of playoff opportunity right now.
Yes but adding Seguin, Hall, or Fowler at entry level contracts will give them a chance to be good for a very long time. I have no doubt that they'd be willing to deal their own first pick, but giving up a chance at the number one overall pick just wouldn't be very smart, no matter what their cup prospects are for this season.

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Visnovsky for Wideman+Colborn+Boston 1st?
Asking for too much. Jeebus, Wideman was a better Dman than Lubo last season and is younger.

As I stated in another trade, I just want a pick in the Nino Neiderreiter range and I'll be happy.

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01-18-2010, 09:42 PM
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Why not 5? How about 10? If we got 10 first rounders this year it would be pretty hard to fail a few years down the line.

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Why not 5? How about 10? If we got 10 first rounders this year it would be pretty hard to fail a few years down the line.
hey doesnt hurt to be greedy I think we should be thankful for the pick that we are getting and shouldnt start expecting more.. only leads to disappointments..

we'll have plenty of young first rounders in a couple of yrs.. Smid, Brule, Hemsky, Gagner, Eberle, Pajaarvi, Cogliano <i think>, Hall\Seguin\Fowler, Grebeshkov <?> etc etc..

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01-18-2010, 10:37 PM
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Asking for too much. Jeebus, Wideman was a better Dman than Lubo last season and is younger.

As I stated in another trade, I just want a pick in the Nino Neiderreiter range and I'll be happy.
speed up the rebuild and trade our 2011 1st for Nino?

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Exactly. Upgrading one of their D to a player like Visnovsky could be huge, considering Visnovsky can be used in any game situation. He's also signed for a few more years, so he's not a rental, which I think fits in with Boston's window of playoff opportunity right now.
Vishnovsky + Cogliano
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Tor 1st + Wideman + Ryder

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So they get a young guy who has the ability to get better, a Studly D-man and dump two bad contracts and Toronto's 1st.

We get 2 bad contracts and a Top-5 pick(probably top-3). So 2 of Hall/Seguin/Fowler.

Yes? No? Maybe?

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speed up the rebuild and trade our 2011 1st for Nino?
Hmm. Tempting. But it's a leaf like gamble at this stage. I'm thinking more of a Souray/Lubo to land us a likely latter half first pick, then combine that with a player or other pick to move up at the draft.

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01-18-2010, 10:53 PM
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I'm liking the idea of pursuing Toronto's first from Boston a lot. The question is, what do we have that Boston would want, and would be willing to give up that 1st rounder? I'm not sure we have the chips.
Nothing, absolutely nothing.

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Exactly. Upgrading one of their D to a player like Visnovsky could be huge, considering Visnovsky can be used in any game situation. He's also signed for a few more years, so he's not a rental, which I think fits in with Boston's window of playoff opportunity right now.
Cap hit is way too high.

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Cap hit is way too high.
agree that BOS would want someone who'll put them over the top and make them the team to beat.. Visnovsky is good but not that good.. BOS would be stupid to trade away a possible franchise player for anything short of a Kovalchuk'ish player.
<Unless TOR goes on a roll and gets into pick 5-8 range by trade deadline..>

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Boston may trade the first but it may come in the form of deal similar to the one the Lightning and Sharks pounded out in 1998.

The Lightning wanted to increase their strangle hold on getting Lecavalier and the Sharks wanted to make the playoffs. A trade was made where Marchment and some other spare parts went to the Sharks for a guarantee to get the highest pick. Boston may consider such a deal for a decent player thereby increasing our chances at the first or second pick. But we'd just be flipping. So if we finished with the fifth pick and Boston got the first, they'd still pick fifth.

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Boston may trade the first but it may come in the form of deal similar to the one the Lightning and Sharks pounded out in 1998.

The Lightning wanted to increase their strangle hold on getting Lecavalier and the Sharks wanted to make the playoffs. A trade was made where Marchment and some other spare parts went to the Sharks for a guarantee to get the highest pick. Boston may consider such a deal for a decent player thereby increasing our chances at the first or second pick. But we'd just be flipping. So if we finished with the fifth pick and Boston got the first, they'd still pick fifth.
mehh no need for a deal like that... we have full faith in our ability to out suck anyone!!

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we need to get a pick in the 10-15 range! That might get us a shot at nino,pysyk or macfarland.

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we need to get a pick in the 10-15 range! That might get us a shot at nino,pysyk or macfarland.
BOS's 1st should be our target.. we are only being wishfully greedy if we are thinking about landing the TOR 1st. BOS's 1st or CGY's 1st should be the easiest to get since they are owned by teams with 2 1st round picks..

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Cap hit is way too high.
Not if we're taking some salary back, like Morris.

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Not if we're taking some salary back, like Morris.
also Fowler will be making ~3M-3.5M after all his bonuses next season.. for 2M more BOS would be getting a Visnovksy in almost his prime

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also Fowler will be making ~3M-3.5M after all his bonuses next season.. for 2M more BOS would be getting a Visnovksy in almost his prime
Don't discount the Slovak connection between him and Chara. If they play well in Vancouver and Chara makes a call to his GM to get his fellow countryman there may be a deal.

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we need to get a pick in the 10-15 range! That might get us a shot at nino,pysyk or macfarland.
The chances of us landing one of these picks is pretty slim, IMO. The teams that might be buying what we are selling are playoff teams. More than likely, we're looking at a 16-25th pick.

But who knows, maybe a bubble team tries to make the playoffs and then fails and we land a 13-16 (like the NYIs almost did when we traded Smyth). The chances of us landing a top 8 pick to land Nino would require that we give up a significant player (Penner or Visnovsky). I'm not sure losing either would be worth it.

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i put out the nash and plante triple draft a few years ago and point out that with three first rounders doesnt mean a lot to the oilers

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I can see Boston dealing their 1st, not Toronto's. Another team to target is Phoenix. IIRC, they hold 2- firsts and already have some young players to build around. That city needs some playoffs to build some fanfare.

If we can pry a 1st from Boston and a 1st from Phoenix, we'd have 2- 1sts likely in the 10-20 slots. Say we end up with the 2nd, 12th and 15th overall picks, come draft day we can try moving up a few spots by adding some later picks or middling prospects.

Leaving the draft with Seguin, Pysyk and Nino Nintendorider, I'd be very happy.


Yes you are 100% right. People still think they would risk Toronto's for the cup this year, but forget they have there own.

As for the thread itself, we probably could acquire some late rounders just not sure if that should be our target or maybe prospects that are closer to playing. Might be time to consider moving one of our own prospects in hopes of getting something that we need for the future. Move one of our smaller prospects for a bigger prospect.

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01-19-2010, 11:57 AM
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i put out the nash and plante triple draft a few years ago and point out that with three first rounders doesnt mean a lot to the oilers
Seriously, read an OP before you start introducing things that you think are novel ideas. Like I said, the Oilers clearly went with at least one, and really, two projects in that draft because I am pretty sure they knew that Nash was intent on Cornell. Obviously it is not possible to predict exactly how a player's development will occur, but it is possible to generally avoid players you know to be projects. That's what management needs to do.

If we had taken the BPA Cherepanov over Plante we would have been in a great situation but for his death (RIP), and although Nash might fill his draft position nicely, there were 'safer' picks even at time, not in hindsight (Max Pac, PK Subban - not sure why the latter fell so far given his pre-draft boxcars).

By safe picks I am talking about those who have clear skill AND actually have numbers to back them up over a significant period of games - this is of course tempered with leagues like SEL and KHL.

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If the Oilers were to somehow manage to snag a mid range draft pick I would be ecstatic. With our first I would look at Seguin and the mid range pick I would want a player like Neidereiter.

Penner - Seguin - Hemsky (Skilled 1a)
MPS - Gagner - Eberle (Skilled 1b)
Pouliot/ Potulny - Horcoff - Brule (Checking with some scoring)
Stortini - Nash - Neidereiter (Grind line with some scoring)

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If the Oilers were to somehow manage to snag a mid range draft pick I would be ecstatic. With our first I would look at Seguin and the mid range pick I would want a player like Neidereiter.

Penner - Seguin - Hemsky (Skilled 1a)
MPS - Gagner - Eberle (Skilled 1b)
Pouliot/ Potulny - Horcoff - Brule (Checking with some scoring)
Stortini - Nash - Neidereiter (Grind line with some scoring)

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