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01-18-2010, 11:11 PM
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Because... he wasn;t a one year contract?

I dont like rentals either. But aquiring a player who yes, is still a star, he has only 5 less points than Gaborik, think what that would do for our team, is worth losing a prospect, and an overrated one.
Why? We weren't going to win a cup with him. We might with Grachev in several years.

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Although Grachev's stock has dropped so I doubt they would go for it now,
Has it? If he'd stepped into the AHL and immediately started scoring at his OHL pace, he wouldn't be a prospect anymore - he'd be an NHL regular. As it is, he's had flashes of brilliance, but overall has worked to adjust to the next higher league. And yet in January he's already had two two goal games. I fully expect to see him in the NHL no later than the start of next year.

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and wed have to move cap, so its moot.
Another reason to not do it. Again, we control Evgeny's rights for another 7 years.

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01-18-2010, 11:14 PM
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There is no way of knowing if we would've or wouldnt have won the cup under any other circumstances.

But hopefully Grachev become an okay player, but I doubt he'll ever touch MSL in terms of success.

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01-18-2010, 11:21 PM
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There is no way of knowing if we would've or wouldnt have won the cup under any other circumstances.

But hopefully Grachev become an okay player, but I doubt he'll ever touch MSL in terms of success.
Well, we agree on Avery. Not so much on Grachev.

Hopefully I'm right and you're wrong on this one, eh?

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01-18-2010, 11:29 PM
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Well, we agree on Avery. Not so much on Grachev.

Hopefully I'm right and you're wrong on this one, eh?
Yep. Im a bit skeptical about ranger forward prospects considering we havent had a first line forward come out of the system since Tony Amonte.

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01-19-2010, 01:18 AM
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Yep. Im a bit skeptical about ranger forward prospects considering we havent had a first line forward come out of the system since Tony Amonte.
Although I get ya point, technically

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01-19-2010, 01:29 AM
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LGR! Just get the win.

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01-19-2010, 01:44 AM
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We get a nice little preview of our first line center to-be tomorrow.


.....what? Stop looking at me like that!

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01-19-2010, 01:57 AM
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We get a nice little preview of our first line center to-be tomorrow.


.....what? Stop looking at me like that!

Why would Tampa trade Stamkos?

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01-19-2010, 03:22 AM
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2 points separate 5th from 9th and 4 points from 5th to 11th place. We need every point we can get. And the Lightning aren't too far behind either. LGR

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01-19-2010, 03:26 AM
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01-19-2010, 06:37 AM
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Big game tonight, gotta get every point we can

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01-19-2010, 08:33 AM
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Avery vs. Downie
Or maybe Redden vs. Downie?

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01-19-2010, 08:35 AM
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Lets get two points tonight...same kind of play as against Montreal. Nasty, gritty, and fast-paced. Crash that net!

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01-19-2010, 08:57 AM
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Yep. Im a bit skeptical about ranger forward prospects considering we havent had a first line forward come out of the system since Tony Amonte.
I'm confident Cherepanov would have been one.

And yeah I love St. Louis but it's hard for the Rangers to justify trading their top forward prospects for what amounts to a rental of a year or two. St. Louis is the better player, probably will be the better career player, but if he's only around for 2 years, and Grachev ends up being a 70 point 1st line player for the next 15 years, then the Rangers kind of lose out on that deal in the long run unless St. Louis magically brings them the cup (which I don't think is possible with last year and this years lineups)

You really have to keep an eye on the long term building of the team and not blow assets you can't easily replace. You don't really want Grachev to turn into another Savard or Zubov

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01-19-2010, 09:53 AM
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Another VS game? Enough of this!!!!

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01-19-2010, 10:01 AM
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Another VS game? Enough of this!!!!
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Welp, off to the friends house tomorrow night so I can watch Versus... damn you, DirecTV.

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I read an article yesterday that said Versus has signed a deal to carry some kind of live ultimate fighting that used to be on Spike TV. Apparently, a pretty major deal and good for 300,000-400,000 viewers/event. Hopefully for you DirecTV folks, it's enough of a big deal to bring VS. back.

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01-19-2010, 11:40 AM
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Grachev has 11 goals so far this year.

He's on pace for about 20 goals.

As a 19 year old rookie in the AHL, that's impressive.

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01-19-2010, 11:59 AM
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Not bad. However, most of us expected a bit more of him, especially after his last season and the begiining of this one. He played much better in September and October...

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01-19-2010, 12:46 PM
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He's 19.

He could spend 2 more years in Hartford (won't happen) and he still wouldn't and shouldn't be considered a bust.

Grachev will be fine.

Like Sanguinetti, he's only 21. And the only reason he's not in the NHL right now is because we have two oerpaid bums blocking him on the NHL roster that are virtually untradeable (Redden & Rozsival).

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01-19-2010, 12:50 PM
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if you look at berfors rookie season in the ahl he played 65 games and tallied 17 goals and 23 assists while going -11

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01-19-2010, 12:58 PM
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Lets go Rangers!!

Keep on rolling, pick up 2 points. No excuses.

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01-19-2010, 01:01 PM
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He's 19.

He could spend 2 more years in Hartford (won't happen) and he still wouldn't and shouldn't be considered a bust.

Grachev will be fine.

Like Sanguinetti, he's only 21. And the only reason he's not in the NHL right now is because we have two oerpaid bums blocking him on the NHL roster that are virtually untradeable (Redden & Rozsival).
Sanguinetti is still not at an NHL level in his own zone. Del Zotto is iffy enough, we dont need Sangs back there right now.

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01-19-2010, 01:08 PM
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Grachev for Marty is a desperation move made by a lame duck GM looking for that one last shot at the cup. A move NS could have been expected to make in 1998.

For a team that is light years away from the cup, as we are now and were last year, making this deal is an absolute waste of assets.

Grachev is having a very nice rookie season. When looking at him with realistic expectations, 22 points 43 games into his rookie season is on pace for a very respectable 42+ point rookie season.

I'm not going to argue the talents of either player, just that we are not anywhere close to being in position to contend and that is a deal that you make when you are one or at most 2 pieces from contending.

Rangers win tonight if they play with the determination and physical mind-set they played with on Sunday.

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Not bad. However, most of us expected a bit more of him, especially after his last season and the begiining of this one. He played much better in September and October...
That's the problem right there.

Basing your expectations of production for one league based on the results from a MUCH LOWER league is rarely going to produce the desired results.

The guys that jump from one league to another post similar numbers from one league to the next are not guys that were not drafted in the 3rd round. Regardless of the lack of an IIHF agreement.

He's progressing as well as expected. We will see what the 2nd half of the season and PO's bring.

I will go as far as saying not to expect him in the NHL next year unless he absolutely tears up the rookie Tournament and training camp and even then, going back to Hartford is not the worst thing that could happen.

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01-19-2010, 01:26 PM
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Another VS game? Enough of this!!!!
Or you can look at it from the POV of Verizon FIOS customers who get to watch the Rangers in HD only when its on VS/NBC/PIX. Curse you cablevision... curse you.

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