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03-02-2010, 06:37 PM
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Hordichuck and Wellwood

These guys need to sit. I can't figure out why Vigneault keeps dressing them over Hansen and Rypien.

I understand that Wellwood is a centre - but Demitra played at C during the Olympics and led the tournament in scoring. As much as I was a fan of Wellwood last year he simply doesn't have the personality to play the game every night with the type of intensity that is required at the NHL level.

The lines should be:

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Samuelson Kesler Raymond
Hansen Demitra Bernier
Rypien Johnson Glass

Park Hordi and Wellfed on the bench or waive one of them and focus on shoring up the D at the trade deadline (tonigh/tomorrow).

If you can't get enough offense out of Samuelsson or Bernier then bring up Grabner and see if he can get the job done.

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03-02-2010, 06:39 PM
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That 3rd line will be ineffective.

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03-02-2010, 06:55 PM
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That 3rd line will be ineffective.
You make such a compelling argument. You should consider a career as a lawyer.

Like Samuelson Wellwood and Bernier are the best 3rd line in the league.

Hansen Demitra and Bernier have all the qualities you want in a 3rd line. Speed, hands, defensive awareness, play making ability, size, toughness/agressiveness, etc. Our current 3rd line, with Wellwood at centre and Hansen in the press box is missing hands, size, speed, agressiveness and play making ability (except for the occasional shift when Wellwood decides to play).

The only thing Wellwood adds is his prowess in the faceoff circle. Demitra is a career 47% faceoff man, but as a 3rd liner, he is not likely to be drawing against the other teams top guys. Actually his Vancouver F/O stats are not so bad - he is 56% in the last 2 years. The Canucks also have the luxury of using Kesler, Henrik or Johnson on key faceoffs.

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Demitra is top six, according to V.

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03-02-2010, 07:04 PM
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There's absolutely no way you can justify playing Ryan Johnson over Kyle Wellwood. Wellwood has been head and shoulders better at both ends of the ice since the 1st game of the season.

Hordichuk has no business playing ahead of guys like Rypien, Hansen, Glass or any other bottom 6 forward.

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03-02-2010, 07:19 PM
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Coincidentally both Wellwood and Demitra simply need to play with better players on that third line!

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There's absolutely no way you can justify playing Ryan Johnson over Kyle Wellwood. Wellwood has been head and shoulders better at both ends of the ice since the 1st game of the season.

Hordichuk has no business playing ahead of guys like Rypien, Hansen, Glass or any other bottom 6 forward.
LOL - Wellwood is not head and shoulders above anyone!

But seriously, Wellwood CAN NOT play in a 4th line role. The main reason for his offense malaise is is lack of intensity and work ethic. While Wellwood does play well defensively, he is the exact opposite of what you want from a 4th line centre. No energy, no speed, no intensity, not physical, not intimidating, not a particularly good PKer.

Demitra IS probably a top 6 player, but Kesler and Raymond have been generating offense all year without him and our 3rd line sucks so I would rather let Demo anchor the 3rd line and give him 2nd unit PP time.

Hansen brings speed, hard work, decent hands, good PK, and excellent play along the boards.

Bernier is ... well Bernier.

If Johnson can elevate his play - particularly on the PK to the level he played at last year down the stretch, he is out best option for a 4th line centre, otherwise, I'd go with Rypien.

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LOL - Wellwood is not head and shoulders above anyone!

But seriously, Wellwood CAN NOT play in a 4th line role.
Neither can Johnson.

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I just don't get why they haven't played Hansen and let him develop. This guy has a lot going for him and I suspect we'll see him traded and then he'll blossom.

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Neither can Johnson.
Alain Vigneault disagrees.

"Just look at it from a logical standpoint," Vigneault said after the Canucks practised here on Monday. "We feel we've got two pretty good lines and we think we can really have a strong fourth line with grit and toughness and a guy like Johnny (Ryan Johnson) who can help us on faceoffs and help us on the penalty-kill. So then you look at our third line and you say to yourself, if we could upgrade a little bit it would help our team."
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Alain Vigneault disagrees.
And Garrett said something in the first about Johnson sitting out prior to the Olympic break to rest his foot. If that's the case, I guess we were wrong about assuming AV had benched him because he finally figured out what a liability Johnson was. Not good news.

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03-02-2010, 08:57 PM
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Hordichuck should get banned from a canucks jersey. Wellwood on the other hand, is looking fine. He made the Burrows goal happen tonight. He continues to make great passes all over the ice but the problem is, hes passing to guys like Hordichuck, Glass And Bernier, who we all know wont finish it. Unlike Burrows who was able to pot Welly an assist.

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And Garrett said something in the first about Johnson sitting out prior to the Olympic break to rest his foot. If that's the case, I guess we were wrong about assuming AV had benched him because he finally figured out what a liability Johnson was. Not good news.
He was playing on busted up feet:
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Johnson, after missing a month (12 games), returned on Jan. 21 and in seven games he was minus-4, had zero points, just one shot on goal and fell to 33.3 per cent in the faceoff circle at Boston on Feb. 6.

That led to Alain Vigneault making him a scratch for the final four games before the Olympic break.

What Johnson didn't mention, even to his coach, was two toes on one foot and a chipped bone just above the ankle on his other hadn't yet healed.

But if the renewed jump in his step since the break ended is any indication, Johnson's two broken feet have finally healed properly with the long rest.
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No Vancouver Canuck player appreciated the Olympic break more than centre Ryan Johnson.

With a couple of broken toes on his right foot and a cracked left fibula, Johnson needed a rest in the worst way.

So he put his aching feet up for about 10 days and said Monday he feels like a new man.

"When skating is your biggest asset and you are having trouble getting around, it's tough to play your game," he said after the Canucks practised at Nationwide Arena. "It's like a piano player going to play a show every night with two broken hands. It's pretty tough to enjoy what you are doing and be successful at it.

"I was struggling with that and struggling with my game and when you don't have your feet under you your confidence seems to go south pretty quick. The break couldn't have come at a better time."
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"More than anything that had to do with trying to get him healthy," said Vigneault, who will have Johnson back in the lineup tonight when the Canucks begin a six-game road trip against the Columbus Blue Jackets.

"You can really tell just in the practices that his jump is there and the faceoffs are much better," Vigneault said. "We are going to need him to be real strong in that second half."
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So just the day I rip on Wellwood he puts in his best effort of the season.

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03-02-2010, 09:41 PM
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So just the day I rip on Wellwood he puts in his best effort of the season.
About once every 20 games he plays "like a man possessed". You can chalk this up to:


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