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01-19-2010, 03:51 PM
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Seguin is our guy. We need a franchise center not winger. Having Seguin, Gagner, and Brule down the middle will be very good.
Hall is a center too.

I was a Seguin supporter however, I think we got the JT effect happening on Hall. That effect being that he has been over analyzed, and that everyone is saying look thats new and shiny.

I think Hall is the more complete player, with a superior scoring touch, superior speed, and has more poise.

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Seguin is our guy. We need a franchise center not winger. Having Seguin, Gagner, and Brule down the middle will be very good.
hall said he prefers center.

I'm leaning more towards Seguin right now, but either of them would be great to have.

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01-19-2010, 03:56 PM
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For me, what sets Seguin apart from Hall is the leadership qualities. There's a reason he draws loose comparisons to Yzerman. I myself, see him like Johnathan Toews. He's going to be bring that kind of compete on the ice and make that drive to be better infectious to everyone else. You want a player like that to build your franchise around.

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01-19-2010, 04:45 PM
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For me, what sets Seguin apart from Hall is the leadership qualities. There's a reason he draws loose comparisons to Yzerman. I myself, see him like Johnathan Toews. He's going to be bring that kind of compete on the ice and make that drive to be better infectious to everyone else. You want a player like that to build your franchise around.
God, I hate to keep doing this bud, but you bring it upon yourself by constantly bring up good points.

Hall has superstar HOF potential, you also want that to build your franchise around. With his explosive nothing-to-full-speed-in-2-stride skating, desire to regain control of the puck, solid frame and laser shot, he will rack up a lot of goals. We need a guy who thinks shoot first, creates his own chances and plays on the top line. Eberle may turn into that guy but most here would agree he's more likely a great 2nd line scorer. I just don't see how we can pass up on perhaps the best offensive player since Crosby.

Come on Tambo, get TO's 1st from Boston soon so Soli and I can stop this never-ending back and forth

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01-19-2010, 05:18 PM
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My best comparisons for each player.

Taylor Hall- Marian Gaborik

Tyler Seguin- Jonathan Toews

Cam Fowler- Duncan Keith

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01-19-2010, 05:33 PM
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Hall is a center too.

I was a Seguin supporter however, I think we got the JT effect happening on Hall. That effect being that he has been over analyzed, and that everyone is saying look thats new and shiny.

I think Hall is the more complete player, with a superior scoring touch, superior speed, and has more poise.
I think Hedman was the best pick and still is.

The knock on Tavares has always been his skating, which is merely average. I think that led to a lot of the doubts with regards to JT, the lack of the 100% complete skill set.

On the contrary, I think Hall's skill set is absolutely complete. You've got the good size, amazing speed, great handling, great shot, great offensive instincts. Only question for him is putting it all together in the NHL.

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01-19-2010, 05:34 PM
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For me, what sets Seguin apart from Hall is the leadership qualities. There's a reason he draws loose comparisons to Yzerman. I myself, see him like Johnathan Toews. He's going to be bring that kind of compete on the ice and make that drive to be better infectious to everyone else. You want a player like that to build your franchise around.
How can you say that Hall doesn't have leadership abilities?

Did you see last years Mem Cup?

Personally I would take the Memorial Cup MVP over a lesser known product.

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01-19-2010, 05:42 PM
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Seguin is our guy. We need a franchise center not winger. Having Seguin, Gagner, and Brule down the middle will be very good.
Hall claims to be a natural center. Probably very similar to Brule who is very adept at both positions.

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01-19-2010, 05:55 PM
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Tomorrow top prospects game 5:00pm on Sportsnet, should give us a little glimpse and sway our opinions on both.

I personally would go with Seguin because he seems to be a better playmaker, but he also can score goals and IMO has a better shot then Hall which alot of people here seem to feel the opposite.

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01-19-2010, 06:19 PM
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Hall scored and had 2a in the gold medal game, what more did you want? He was a draft eligible guy going up against guys drafted 2 years before him. He did way more then Stamkos did at the WJC.

Seguin is the safe pick because Hall scored 12p at the WJC while Seguin was cut? I see Hall as very low risk. Plus we already have two playmaking wingers in the system in Hemsky and MPS, shouldn't we get a scoring C?

My only concern with Fowler is his shot isn't the best. That being said, his skating, passing and vision are near Doughty level.
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I think Seguin is the guy, I believe he is the more pure goal scorer type.
So from this same thread, Seguin is a playmaking pure goal scorer then?



This is not directed at you Uncle, but I know that opinions are like bungholes as everyones got one. But I wish in threads like this people who are actually in the know would post rather than a bunch of opinions and hearsay?

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01-19-2010, 06:43 PM
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Call me a bigot or whatever you want, but if we get the 1st or 2nd pick I don't want the yank. A superstar Canadian forward would be incredible for the Oilers, just look at what Iginla has done for Calgary.

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When do the do the draft lottery anyways?

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When do the do the draft lottery anyways?
April 12 or 13. I believe it was mentioned in the Dreger article.

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Call me a bigot or whatever you want, but if we get the 1st or 2nd pick I don't want the yank. A superstar Canadian forward would be incredible for the Oilers, just look at what Iginla has done for Calgary.
But look at how good Phil "the thrill" Kessel has been for the Leafs?

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01-19-2010, 06:50 PM
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Whoever we draft will be a star, while the other two will be busts and will play in Germany in 4 years.

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Call me a bigot or whatever you want, but if we get the 1st or 2nd pick I don't want the yank. A superstar Canadian forward would be incredible for the Oilers, just look at what Iginla has done for Calgary.
What does nationality have to do with anything? Iginla would have done the same thing in Calgary if he was from Pakistan.

To extend on the above idea; I hope we get knocked down to third, so we don't have to deal with the stress of choosing, but we still get the best player. Cameron Fowler. Heck yes.

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Oilers are going to win about 3 meaningless games the last week of the year vaulting them from 2nd worst overall to 3rd worst. Then some team behind them is going to win the lottery.

Who is the 4th rated player?

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do we really need to start listing the players who didnt make their world junior team but went on to be stars in the nhl?
No. I'm wondering how a guy who could be picked 1st overall in the NHL draft didn't make the cut for the junior team. I think thats a legit ? no?

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Its like saying If Hall was so good why was he cut from world junior's last year? Hall is in his 3rd junior year Seguin is only in his 2nd. Too many In my mind just look at who made Team Canada to see If they are good or not which is BS
Same as above.

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I can see you a huge Hall fan!

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The only thing Bucky and Hall share are lips.

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Oilers are going to win about 3 meaningless games the last week of the year vaulting them from 2nd worst overall to 3rd worst. Then some team behind them is going to win the lottery.

Who is the 4th rated player?
I think at the moment it is Vladimir Tarasenko and IMO he may have been the most impressive draft eligable player at the WJHC. He was so non exiting but such a complete player. personally I want Hall, he is just so offensivly dynamic, 2nd I want Seugin, one of the two as it would be nice to have a Canadian star. however I would be more then happy with him at 4th. He reminds me of one of the Sedins, nothing flashy but all around good.

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Fair enough. Id be happy to get either. If the Oilers pick first though, right now Im inclined to go with Seguin because, as I said, I see him as being the safer pick - Im risk averse, thats just me. The last thing this team needs is to finally get a #1 overall pick and end up getting the next Daigle. There has been an unbelievable string of very good #1 overall picks - Id hate for that string to break with the Oilers.
Exactly why you pick Hall. Seguin will be very good, but Hall could be great. Do we want to look back at this draft in 5 or 6 years and say we got the 2nd best player in the '10 draft? Not if we picked 1st overall!

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Tomorrow top prospects game 5:00pm on Sportsnet, should give us a little glimpse and sway our opinions on both.

I personally would go with Seguin because he seems to be a better playmaker, but he also can score goals and IMO has a better shot then Hall which alot of people here seem to feel the opposite.
I think that amazing goal where Hall roofed it into the cookie shelf in the WJHC really showcased Halls shot.

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No. I'm wondering how a guy who could be picked 1st overall in the NHL draft didn't make the cut for the junior team. I think thats a legit ? no?
Duchene would be picked 1st overall this yearif it was his draft year and he missed the cut last year. Seguin is in a similar boat this year as Duchene was last year, and he was still in the running to go 1st right up until the draft.

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