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01-19-2010, 03:26 PM
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Stauffer floating the Jagr balloon for next year on Oilers lunch.
Twice now this show.

Stauffer phrased it like we would add him this season after the Olympics, which I think confused Darren, but it sounded like Dreger thinks we need to get kicked in the teeth for more than just one year.

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01-19-2010, 03:26 PM
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Wow, how insightful...90% of the people who post here have been saying the same thing for months...slow news day Dreger?
exactly.
I really wish we would have already staerted the purge. I'd think it would be worth it to buy out or bury a few of our older players. especially our captain.

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01-19-2010, 03:28 PM
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This is my interpretation as well. I don't see the need to dump on the man.
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Yeah but unlike most of us. Dreger actually has some contacts and likely knows there are things brewing. That is unless I mis-understand and he just thinks that stuff might happen. His wording seems to suggest otherwise.
This.

There is something about the way the piece is written that makes me think he's actually vaguely passing along something he knows.
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This isn't another run at the endless speculation that has followed with the Oilers' continued disappointment.

There will be changes.
I read that as, "I know everyone and their dog is speculating, but trust me, I'm not speculating".


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01-19-2010, 03:30 PM
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I would be surprised if there were big changes. Nobody is taking our stupid contracts, which accounts for half the team. I would love to see John Short do a regular guest spot with Gregor though, he was a breath of fresh air yesterday and is free to speak his mind as he has no ties to the organization.
Agree 100% ^ It was nice to hear an unbiased and experienced opinion on the state of this team and its "leadership"

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01-19-2010, 03:32 PM
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This is... AWSOME

If it happens which it doesnt seem to very often...

Buy buy () Horcoff, Moreau, Staios, Gilbert, etc. Hello MPS, Eberle, Omark, Hall, Chorney and Petry?

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01-19-2010, 03:38 PM
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Twice now this show.

Stauffer phrased it like we would add him this season after the Olympics, which I think confused Darren, but it sounded like Dreger thinks we need to get kicked in the teeth for more than just one year.
I think this line of thinking is over rated. Just like Colorado and Philly if Edmonton starts to win games next year no one is going standing on there pedestal saying oh they should be tanking unless your DSF.

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01-19-2010, 03:44 PM
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This I will believe when it actually happens.

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Stauffer floating the Jagr balloon for next year on Oilers lunch.
He'd look good on the second line with Gagner and Hall.

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I think this line of thinking is over rated. Just like Colorado and Philly if Edmonton starts to win games next year no one is going standing on there pedestal saying oh they should be tanking unless your DSF.
How many games?

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He'd look good on the second line with Gagner and Hall.
He IS still putting up a point/game in Siberia

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He'd look good on the second line with Gagner and Hall.
No more old men with inflated contracts please. We need to make a fresh start and sign good young players to respectable deals. The insanity needs to stop. This team is not a Jagr away from success. Getting him would be a total waste of time and cap space.

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01-19-2010, 04:00 PM
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We'll probably trade gagner, cogliano, 1st 2nd and 3rd for 30 games of ilya kovalchuk, who we will then offer a 200 million dollar deal which he will shoot down to play in washington

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He'd look good on the second line with Gagner and Hall.
I dig. Jagr = a solid veteran that could help "mentor" the younger kids. ESPECIALLY if it were Taylor Hall.

Signs like this from Dreger give me hope.

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He'd look good on the second line with Gagner and Hall.

Who then is going to be the 1st line centerman.I'll tell ya right now that it will not be Horcoff.

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He'd look good on the second line with Gagner and Hall.
he'd look good not with Gagner.

the Dreger comments are hilarious. as if we needed Dreger to tell us what was known for the past 2 seasons. "MacTavish's fault... oops, i mean all the vet players fault now, tehe... beware."

just bring on the trade deadline and off-season already.

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This is... AWSOME

If it happens which it doesnt seem to very often...

Buy buy () Horcoff, Moreau, Staios, Gilbert, etc. Hello MPS, Eberle, Omark, Hall, Chorney and Petry?
I believe that by the time toxic work environments are recognized and eventually dealt with by removing the cause(s), all the good young employees who unknowingly came on board into the mess have either left or have made the commitment to leave.

I'd have two concerns. The first is whether the problem is really cultural or not. If yes, moving only players isn't going to help. Cultural change is a slow, slow process.

The second - post-purge - is that while the CBA prevents most players from actually leaving, many who remain may have already made the mental commitment to leave when they can.

The real issue then is positively managing the survivors i.e. convincing the Gagners, Cogs, Brules etc. that there's a genuine desire to return to the core values of the organization and that their commitment will be a vital part of that renewal. If not, good luck to them as well.

I believe this is going to be a very messy process.

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This is... AWSOME

If it happens which it doesnt seem to very often...

Buy buy () Horcoff, Moreau, Staios, Gilbert, etc. Hello MPS, Eberle, Omark, Hall, Chorney and Petry?
Hello missing the playoffs for another 7 years.

Amazing how many people think "youth" is the answer to our woes

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The Jagr ship has sailed. If he comes back to the NHL there's no way it will be with Edmonton. I know he expressed interest in the team last year, but I can't see why he would want to be an Oiler when he can spend his last legs with a cup contender.

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01-19-2010, 04:06 PM
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No more old men with inflated contracts please. We need to make a fresh start and sign good young players to respectable deals. The insanity needs to stop. This team is not a Jagr away from success. Getting him would be a total waste of time and cap space.
Who said anything about inflated contracts? The young guys are going to need someone to help them adjust to the pro game. Who better then arguably the greatest European of all time? If Jagr is willing to sign here for between 3 or 4 mil a season for two seasons you have to do it.

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He'd look good on the second line with Gagner and Hall.
Jagr has said before he wanted to play with Hemsky.
So maybe, Jagr - Hall/Seguin/Penner (whoever else you want to put in 1C) - Hemsky

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Hello missing the playoffs for another 7 years.

Amazing how many people think "youth" is the answer to our woes
our "vets" have really gotten us far hey? out with the old and in with the new

if we're gonna suck, at least throw the kids out there and see who swims and who drowns

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01-19-2010, 04:09 PM
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Who said anything about inflated contracts? The young guys are going to need someone to help them adjust to the pro game. Who better then arguably the greatest European of all time? If Jagr is willing to sign here for between 3 or 4 mil a season for two seasons you have to do it.
I hear Igor Larionov still plays hockey. Let's bring him too.

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i'll believe when it happens.
that is my reaction

we might not be rockit scientists(okay narnia and DSF think they) but we have been banging are heads against the computer keyboard for awhile now trying figure out moves to be made--this site is great due to the fact it is a great equalizer when it comes to putting fans in their place and there are a few things I think are for certain.

1)The big contract guys if moved will either net us a bad contract in return or projects(as opposed to prospects) and maybe a second rounder

2) The vets that will be moved will be guys like Moreau, Pisani and Staois guys winding down on contracts and not much of problem with the cap

3) The Grebs and POS factor--both guys are on mid range contracts--POS has started to wake up and grebs will be a RFA after this year and oilers may prefer to move him then sign him

4) The kids. Gagner, Brule and Cogliano--oilers may move one of them to get a better pick in this draft--Oilers can only re-sign 2 of the 3 and my money is on Cogliano.

There is no quick fix and anyone who says otherwise does not have a clue. Oiler already fired the coach and the team got worse. You can not trade the entire team.

A player drafted this off season may not get into the team for 2 years. It will take a few years to solve the problems with this roster

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Hello missing the playoffs for another 7 years.

Amazing how many people think "youth" is the answer to our woes
I am genuinely interested to see what you might suggest they do. If you want, four players from the current roster and replace them with the individuals you would want to see. This is of course hypothetical, so while you don't need to be constrained by what is likely to happen, I am sure that you would be reasonable.

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No more old men with inflated contracts please. We need to make a fresh start and sign good young players to respectable deals. The insanity needs to stop. This team is not a Jagr away from success. Getting him would be a total waste of time and cap space.
Even if they go into full rebuild, it would not shock me if they did something like this on a 1 year contract (depending on his cap hit). It is hard to sell tickets in a rebuild and at the same time star power will likely sell in Edmonton. Jagr + Hall or Seguin would probably help sell tickets, but I agree Jagr does not take this team anywhere right now.

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