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01-19-2010, 10:41 PM
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Any chance the Oilers bury Horc in the minors?

Any chance? Likely not this year, and it doesn't make sense unless we really need the cap room, but would anyone have an idea if this is an option they would consider? My curiousity was sparked by Dreggers tsn post about how we could end up being rather ruthless to make changes.

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Nope.

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01-19-2010, 10:47 PM
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not unless we find 3 centers who are better them him.. As of now we have none..

Horc will sadly be centering one of our top 3 lines for a few more yrs..

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You'd assume they'd do things like cut his ice time first.

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01-19-2010, 11:03 PM
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Only way I can see it happening is if they need to make room for a high profile player, anything's possible, but it's definately unlikely. 5+ million dollars a year for a player to play in Springfield would be mighty tough to swallow for a team that won't even fork out 500k for impact AHL players.

Not to mention Katz is good friends with Horcoff. Despite Katz's comments when he bought the team that friendships won't get in the way, I highly doubt he's about to humiliate Horcoff and demote him no matter how much of an AHL'er Horcoff plays like.

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01-19-2010, 11:03 PM
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They could have...if they had juggled the make-up of their line-up by removing smurfs and adding a strong faceoff/PK/defensive centre or two. As was demanded by the fans.

But hey, Lowe knows best.

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01-19-2010, 11:04 PM
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not in the near future. Check back in a year or 2, if he's still playing just as bad or worse AND the Oilers need the cap space to sign or resign ufas or rfas, then yeah, it's a possibility. But right now, due to their need for an experienced centre, who can win the odd draw and play in most situations, and due to the fact that they are in no hurry to start winning games, at least for this season, and due to the fact that they don't really need the cap space, especially if they can move Souray or Visnovsky or Gilbert or POS or Staios or Grebs or Moreau, or any combination of those guys, it wouldn't make any sense to send him to the minors right now.

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01-19-2010, 11:08 PM
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I wish, but Horcoff and Katz are tight. It will never happen

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Not a chance.

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as bad as Horcoff has been - under a solid team he could be beneficial playing with better players. Hemsky and his hard work (gotta give him credit where its due) led to his decent seasons and bloated contract... so when "things are going good" under a different myriad of players, we see a more effective player.

if the Oilers continue to have similar rosters to this, or its executed as poorly, youll probably get a terrible Horcoff. if things improve, i dont see why he couldnt be OK, even if the price is wrong.

minors, no.

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01-19-2010, 11:31 PM
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horcoff had a No-Movement Clause in the First Two years of this contract I believe

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i dont see it happening

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01-19-2010, 11:53 PM
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more likely to be Gilbert or Staios or even Moreau or Khabby if they really need the cap space to start next season...........but I see Souray being moved at the deadline or offseason when the NMC is over, which opens up space for next yr

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Just from a quick glance over at NHL.com, looking at his TOI, it looks like over the past 10-15 games his ice-time has been reduced on average by about 2-3 minutes per game. At the beginning of the year, it looked like on most nights he was playing at least 20 minutes, where in 2/3's of those games he'd play upwards of 22-23, sometimes even 24 minutes.

Now it looks like he's come down to around the 17-18-19 minute mark. This is all just at a glance, so I could be wrong, but it looks like this is the case. As his ice time has been reduced, his +/- has gotten significantly worse as well.

Listen, I understand Horcoff deep down underneath the stone hands and hard work is a useful, good player because I've seen it before. The entire team is dreadful at the moment, apparently he has a nagging injury - no one really is sure what is - ... I'm really trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here and stay level headed, it's extremely hard. But I realize when surrounded with a decent cast, and things are working in his (along with everyone else's) favour he's fairly reliable defensively, good at winning face-offs and chips in with the odd goal or two. But he's anchor at the moment. With the money he makes, combined with the on ice performance, it's just not acceptable. He's flat out bad this season, one of their worst players.

At the very least I want to see him sit in the pressbox, I mean **** it. What's the worst that can happen now? I don't think sitting a game or two would really be so detrimental - although I'm sure many would argue it hurts any potential trade value he has left. Of course they won't do that because he's a "leader" on the team with a unmatched work ethic, so this automatically gives him a pass. However, I'm sure the coaching staffrealizes how unbelievably bad he's been (progressively getting worse), combined with the fact he's making over $5,000,000 on a long term deal, so it's almost as if they're forced to keep throwing him out there on the ice due to his price tag and everything that comes along with it.


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01-20-2010, 12:21 AM
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not unless we find 3 centers who are better them him.. As of now we have none..

Horc will sadly be centering one of our top 3 lines for a few more yrs..
Yes of course, we don't have any centres who can compete with his ability to leak buckets at "evens".

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No, but I think there's an excellent chance someone starts a thread in the next 2-3 weeks asking this very same question or bemoaning the fact that Horcoff probably won't be going to the minors.

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As long as we have next to no size or talent at the center position, Horcoff and his entitlement are safe.

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Ignoring his No Movement Clause: No. Not a chance.

One thing to bury a contract with a couple years of 2 million left, another thing to bury 30 million. Plus, you recall him and you're on the hook for 2.75 for 5 more years without a player to show for it.

Nevermind the fact he's also the PA rep for Edmonton, which would send bad ripples and it's totally counterproductive to do anything but give him time and make it known that he's available.

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As long as we have next to no size or talent at the center position, Horcoff and his entitlement are safe.
I'm just curious, do you have reason for saying Horcoff has "entitlement" here? Haven't seen word one from him that justifies this hate he's getting as a person.

He's always been the first guy to say he hasn't been good enough.

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as bad as Horcoff has been - under a solid team he could be beneficial playing with better players. Hemsky and his hard work (gotta give him credit where its due) led to his decent seasons and bloated contract... so when "things are going good" under a different myriad of players, we see a more effective player.

if the Oilers continue to have similar rosters to this, or its executed as poorly, youll probably get a terrible Horcoff. if things improve, i dont see why he couldnt be OK, even if the price is wrong.

minors, no.
I agree with every single word of this.

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01-20-2010, 02:05 AM
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Ignoring his No Movement Clause: No. Not a chance.

One thing to bury a contract with a couple years of 2 million left, another thing to bury 30 million. Plus, you recall him and you're on the hook for 2.75 for 5 more years without a player to show for it.

Nevermind the fact he's also the PA rep for Edmonton, which would send bad ripples and it's totally counterproductive to do anything but give him time and make it known that he's available.



I'm just curious, do you have reason for saying Horcoff has "entitlement" here? Haven't seen word one from him that justifies this hate he's getting as a person.

He's always been the first guy to say he hasn't been good enough.
He has a ntc not a nmc. He can be waived and sent to the minors. Not that it will happen, because it wont.

Just going by how he was treated by the ex-coach, you know, the one who said he should be on the Olympic team. He was the wind beneath Mact's wings, so it isnt out of the realm of possibility to think he has an inflated opinion of himself and his abilities.

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Just going by how he was treated by the ex-coach, you know, the one who said he should be on the Olympic team. He was the wind beneath Mact's wings, so it isnt out of the realm of possibility to think he has an inflated opinion of himself and his abilities.
What?

Because MacTavish thought highly of him, Horcoff is entitled? Again, Horcoff has said a half dozen times that he's not playing well. He's not throwing generic, "we need to be better's" around like Ethan Moreau to avoid that.

I see no reason to malign him as a person. It's petty.

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What?

Because MacTavish thought highly of him, Horcoff is entitled? Again, Horcoff has said a half dozen times that he's not playing well. He's not throwing generic, "we need to be better's" around like Ethan Moreau to avoid that.

I see no reason to malign him as a person. It's petty.
Youve got a number of players that are so called 'veterans' or 'leaders' on this team that couldnt lead a **** down the toilet. He signs a huge contract, hangs out with the owner of the team, had a coach who favoured him, while dishing out doghouse duty to others, even while he did little to deserve it. If that isnt entitlement then I dont know what is.

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He's always been the first guy to say he hasn't been good enough.
Really , using the pronoun "I" as opposed to "we" ? When has he ever said that ? The only Oilers I recall saying those words last season were Penner , Roloson and Souray . JDD has said it this year .

I do recall game after game when Horcoff was terrible last year and MacT would come out after another loss with more new frames and a witty one liner - and after making a bunch of excuses for the loss he would throw in a " hell of a game by Horc though ... " one liner just to close out the presser . And then Horcoff and Moreau would get all senatorial in their interviews like it wasn't their job to put the puck in the damn net .

Please prove me wrong . I would like to believe that Horcoff does realize how bad his game slipped . I just don't see any evidence of that reflected in his play on the ice or in his interview comments . In fact its glaringly absent imo .

edit - I totally disagree with this thread and the idea of sending Horcoff to the minors .

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While lots of people would like to see Horcoff in the minors, we just don't have anyone that can do what he does. Switch Gagner into Horcoff's role and lets see just how great Gagner looks playing against the sisters tonight.

Maybe in a couple years if that shoulder doesn't heal properly, but it it comes to that I could see the potential of Horcoff retiring.

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not unless we find 3 centers who are better them him.. As of now we have none..

Horc will sadly be centering one of our top 3 lines for a few more yrs..
What? As of right now we have at least 2 centres better than him, that is how utterly craptacular he has been this year. It is totally true that we don't have anyone better to bring up right now however so he will stay. You are safe when you have a minus trade value.

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