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01-20-2010, 03:01 PM
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What worries me is we are developing more bad habits lately from our poor play (dive) than we were origionally trying to rid ourselves of.

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01-20-2010, 03:10 PM
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Is this correct? Everyone got bag skated except Captain Moreau? My opinion of Quinn is rapidly plummeting if that is true. If the team deserved to be bag skated after last game then Moreau should be getting bag skated after EVERY game. The fact that even the new coach has blinders up for the old leadership group is very troubling. The old leadership group is about 70% of our problems.

Personally, I think this bag skate was a horrible idea.
Staios, Comrie, Stone and Brule didn't skate and Pouliot left halfway through.

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01-20-2010, 03:15 PM
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Staios, Comrie, Stone and Brule didn't skate and Pouliot left halfway through.
And yet Comrie could be playing tonight and Pouilot is for sure.

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01-20-2010, 03:19 PM
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I guess it could be worse. Smyth skipped practice to come to alberta to carry the torch.

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01-20-2010, 03:19 PM
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Are you serious? Have you ever hurt your neck before? It's hard to do much of anything, especially if it results in headaches, dizzyness, and even issues breathing ... all of which can all result from just a minor muscle tweak in your neck.



By the sounds of it, it was a tweaked neck. What you read into that is your own interpretation.

I wasn't suggesting that it was immobile, I was just bringing up the point that you can go from being immobile to getting almost your full range of motion back within a short period of time.
Yes I have hurt my neck before, and I know that it can effect all those areas and more depending on the nerves being pinched. Unless we know for certain the symptoms he had at the time we can't really say for sure whether he should have been bag skated or not. But what I'm trying to get at is that if he was able to walk he should have been on the Ice with his teammates if for nothing else other then support.

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01-20-2010, 03:19 PM
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Staios, Comrie, Stone and Brule didn't skate and Pouliot left halfway through.
I may be mistaken, but i thought i read that pouliot didnt actually leave, he just went to get water as quinn gave them a water break.

I remember reading on i think it was tencers twitter? They thought he was injured but just went for water.

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01-20-2010, 03:21 PM
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And yet Comrie could be playing tonight and Pouilot is for sure.
Comrie and Pouliot didn't drop a deuce in Colorado.

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01-20-2010, 03:21 PM
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I hate Moreau as much as the next guy, but if he was banged up maybe it's better that he take the day off so that he doesn't further injury himself. I really don't know what the injury is though, so I really don't want to blame him that much yet.
Here's a quote from the team website. He has a neck injury which he suffered earlier in the season and was reagravated against the Avalanche.

Moreau in, Staios out

Captain Ethan Moreau missed Tuesday's skate due to an aggravated neck injury but will play in tonight's game.

"It's okay," he said about his neck. "I got a bad hit in Colorado and then went right on a plane so it was sore yesterday, but I had some good treatment on it and it felt pretty good this morning."

Defenceman Steve Staios missed Monday's game in Denver due to the flu and mild concussion, and Head Coach Pat Quinn confirmed he will not play tonight.

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01-20-2010, 03:27 PM
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Staios is off his contract next year, but I really think he'll be moved at the deadline for a player with an expiring contract.
If we bought him out it would double the length of the cap hit but lessen the amount. That was what I was referring to.

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01-20-2010, 03:30 PM
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Who do you think you are kidding?

Do you think it was as simple as Moreau going up to Quinn and saying "I would like to skip this one, coach"?

As has been similarly stated on this thread earlier, it is completely fair (and accurate) to note how Moreau and Staois' talent, speed, and maybe even playing sense has completely eroded. However, those are two of the proudest Oilers you will ever meet. If you think this season is hard for you, think about what somebody like Steve Staios is going through...

I'm all for trading/buying out/sending down this group of veterans so that we can start all over. However, every time I log onto these boards I'm half expecting somebody to make a serious post about one of them murdering little kittens for fun. Just because we are frustrated doesn't mean we have to descend further into cretinism and sensationalism than what passes for the typical here.
The injury was agravated against Colorado and they got on the plane right after the game. Moreau was getting treatment on his neck on Tuesday.

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01-20-2010, 03:30 PM
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Any kind of physical activity is hard on the neck when it is injured. Including skating in circles or back and forth from one line to the next.

It more than likely came down to a choice of playing the game or going for a bag skate.
I would have chosen the bag skate for him instead.

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01-20-2010, 03:31 PM
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If we bought him out it would double the length of the cap hit but lessen the amount. That was what I was referring to.
That makes sense, don't really think its worth it to buy him out though with a year left. I think we'll be able to shed salary in other places and have room to resign our RFA's.

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01-20-2010, 03:32 PM
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Yes I have hurt my neck before, and I know that it can effect all those areas and more depending on the nerves being pinched. Unless we know for certain the symptoms he had at the time we can't really say for sure whether he should have been bag skated or not.
Then why are we?

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But what I'm trying to get at is that if he was able to walk he should have been on the Ice with his teammates if for nothing else other then support.
Really? If you are bag skating, do you want to see one of your teammates on the ice standing around doing nothing?

How much support are you really going to be able to give?

If his neck was bad enough not to skate, he should have been getting treatment on it.

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01-20-2010, 03:38 PM
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How silly is that? Now I know that Im supposed to lead by example and all that but Im not shoving that aside like it dont mean anything. I know its important, I honestly do but were talking about practice. Were talking about practice man. Were talking about practice. Were talking about practice. Were not talking about the game. Were talking about practice. When you come to the arena, and you see me play, youve seen me play right, youve seen me give everything Ive got, but were talking about practice right now. Hey I hear you, its funny to me too, hey its strange to me too but were talking about practice man, were not even talking about the game, when it actually matters, were talking about practice How the hell can I make my teammates better by practicing?
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01-20-2010, 03:44 PM
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easy way to solve it. Moreau gets a bag skate on his own while the other players watch their captain. Yeah wont happen but it would be nice. Staios doesn't deserve one. He bleeds for the Oilers.

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01-20-2010, 03:47 PM
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This wasn't the flu which you can heal from in a day or two. This was a neck injury. Those don't just spring up and then go away.
Brule says hi. Brule will be missing his 4th game tonight with flu-like symptoms. It might be something else but the team is still calling it a flu.

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Speaking of entitlement: expecting a guy who is already injury-prone and apparently dealing with a neck knack take part in a bag skate at this point in a lost season to appease the fans' sense of righteous indignation is pretty much the definition of entitlement.

It's funny: I remember a story from a few years ago (2007 to be exact). The Oilers were in the midst of their post Smyth trade skid and Moreau had missed most of the year with a bum shoulder. Despite that, he came back just to take part in a bag skate. I don't remember his leadership or commitment coming into question at the time, but I guess things change.

Besides: if the captain did bag skate and got hurt: what would we lose without him?

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01-20-2010, 03:55 PM
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Did Ethan not goto the rink at all? I figured he probably spent a few hours doing physio trying to work his neck out.

If Ethan felt that skating wasnt goign to be more beneficial than physio would be why would he skate? Im sorry but one thing Ethan is not is a *****. If he says he needs down time then he does
The medical staff advised him not to skate. He was getting treatment and I believe he was at the rink.

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Speaking of entitlement: expecting a guy who is already injury-prone and apparently dealing with a neck knack take part in a bag skate at this point in a lost season to appease the fans' sense of righteous indignation is pretty much the definition of entitlement.

It's funny: I remember a story from a few years ago (2007 to be exact). The Oilers were in the midst of their post Smyth trade skid and Moreau had missed most of the year with a bum shoulder. Despite that, he came back just to take part in a bag skate. I don't remember his leadership or commitment coming into question at the time, but I guess things change.

Besides: if the captain did bag skate and got hurt: what would we lose without him?
Bringing up an example of his leadership three years ago to justify his complete lack of leadership now (and ongoing), well, that would be like bringing up Horcoff's stats from 3 years ago to justify his complete lack of skill now (and ongoing).

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I have major problems with Moreau missing the bag skate and playing in tonights game.

I understand completely that a "tweaked neck" would constitute sitting out of the bag skate, but this should automatically place him in the press box for the game. If his neck is sore, let him rest. We have other players that can play in his stead.

This looks really, really bad for him and really makes me think a lot less of his character. If his neck was too sore to skate this morning with the team, he should NOT be skating this evening with them either.

This really makes me question his motives for not participating in the bag skate this morning. As captain of the team, he should be held to higher standards, but this sort of behaviour is inexcusable for any player of this team. If a player has a legitimate excuse (ie. Staios concussion or Pouliot 4 games in 4 nights) I understand missing the bag skate. A sudden "tweaked neck" resulting in missing the bag skate combined with the ability to play this evening screams selfishness to me.
The Oilers would have had to call someone up from the AHL for that. The Oilers only have enough healthy bodies to play.

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And yet Comrie could be playing tonight and Pouilot is for sure.
He's not close. He just skated with the team this morning for the first time. They're hoping Comrie is ready for February 1.

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I may be mistaken, but i thought i read that pouliot didnt actually leave, he just went to get water as quinn gave them a water break.

I remember reading on i think it was tencers twitter? They thought he was injured but just went for water.
It was precaution and because he had played something like 4 games in a row. He'll play tonight.

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He's not close. He just skated with the team this morning for the first time. They're hoping Comrie is ready for February 1.
Gregor reported 4-5 more practices.

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