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02-04-2010, 03:06 PM
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Waddell should trade Kovy to us cheap, and when he (most likely) loses his job, Dean can get him one with us as his *****. Then he will still have kovy...

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02-04-2010, 03:10 PM
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What if something like this were to happen?

The Oilers are obvioulsy going to have to rebuild and they would like to unload some of their current roster players in return for picks and prospects right? Well what if we send the Oilers a couple picks and prospects they want, the Oilers send the current roster players to Atlanta, and we get Kovalchuk? Now we didn't have to give up any roster players, Oilers are happy with the picks and prospects, Atlanta is happy with roster players, and we get Kovi??

Sound good??

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02-04-2010, 03:16 PM
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Simmonds is the type of player that will win you the cup. And Kovalchuk hasn't ;ead anyone to the cup. He has lead his team once to a early exit in the playoffs.
Kings fans should NEVER post something like this.

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What if something like this were to happen?

The Oilers are obvioulsy going to have to rebuild and they would like to unload some of their current roster players in return for picks and prospects right? Well what if we send the Oilers a couple picks and prospects they want, the Oilers send the current roster players to Atlanta, and we get Kovalchuk? Now we didn't have to give up any roster players, Oilers are happy with the picks and prospects, Atlanta is happy with roster players, and we get Kovi??

Sound good??
I was also thinking about a 3 team deal. It actually can work, however if we do re-sign IK we will need to create salary cap space which is why it will be difficult to keep Stoll.

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02-04-2010, 03:21 PM
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Here's one that was just a couple above my post:

"I'd be happy with Moreau and one of the Oilers top 4 puck movers. Just say no to the enigmatic Russian...."

And I'm not just talking about on these boards, there are a lot more message boards out there then this one...
Really? What do you think the differentiating factor is in that statement?

Is he saying that Moreau and a top-4 puck mover are better than Kovy?

**OR**

Is he saying that Moreau/top-4 are a smarter acquisition than unloading the roster for a rental Kovy?

If you ask the poster, I believe the latter would better represent their thoughts.

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02-04-2010, 03:23 PM
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I don't think it is much of a secret that we are looking at Carlo Colaiacovo. I am sure he is the defenseman we are targeting.
Cogliano is a forward, and a small one at that...

Edit - I see you edited...I had a feeling you were talking about Colaiacovo

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02-04-2010, 03:27 PM
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Kovalchuk – Kopitar – Williams
Smyth – Richardson – Brown
Parse – Handzus– Simmonds
Segal – Moller - Purcell

Doughty – Scuderi
Johnson – O’Donnell
Greene – Drewiske

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Stoll, Frolov, Defensive Prospect, 2nd rounder..I doubt too many teams will be able to match this.

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02-04-2010, 03:28 PM
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Just to throw some fuel on the fire


Ilya Kovalchuk has a career minus 85 for his +/- rating.

Just throwing that out there for fun.

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02-04-2010, 03:30 PM
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I think its pretty evident that Kovalchuk will eventually end up here. Does anyone else feel the same way that I do that the guy wants to be in L.A.?

I can't see why Atlanta just doesn't take our best offer and roll with it. Also I feel like Kovy rejected the $10M offer simply because he doesn't want to play in Atlanta anymore..

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02-04-2010, 03:32 PM
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By the way in regards to trading Jarrett Stoll. I would HATE to see that happen. He's one of the guys who is a "King" if you know what I mean. That guy goes out and there and does his job. Awesome in the faceoff circle and I don't want to break up that little Edmonton trio of Stolly, Greene, and Smyth. All the guys in the room like each other.. I just would rather have it be someone other than Stoll.

I'd trade Frolov before I traded Stoll.. And I know Frolov is way more skilled.. But Stoll works every night and Frolov just doesn't.

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02-04-2010, 03:36 PM
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Maybe Wadell won't let other teams talk to Kovy is because he
knows that Kovy plans to go to the KHL and he would only get
rental prices.

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02-04-2010, 03:40 PM
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What if something like this were to happen?

The Oilers are obvioulsy going to have to rebuild and they would like to unload some of their current roster players in return for picks and prospects right? Well what if we send the Oilers a couple picks and prospects they want, the Oilers send the current roster players to Atlanta, and we get Kovalchuk? Now we didn't have to give up any roster players, Oilers are happy with the picks and prospects, Atlanta is happy with roster players, and we get Kovi??

Sound good??
I was thinking the same thing earlier. And with Edmonton no less!

Problem that I see is still with the amount we'd have to give up for an un-signed Kovy. And then that bit earlier about the contract offer he refused? Ouch, that's a lot of $$$ to turn down.

Just the same, I think a team ready to compete could make that offer and he would accept.

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02-04-2010, 03:44 PM
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I think its pretty evident that Kovalchuk will eventually end up here. Does anyone else feel the same way that I do that the guy wants to be in L.A.?

I can't see why Atlanta just doesn't take our best offer and roll with it. Also I feel like Kovy rejected the $10M offer simply because he doesn't want to play in Atlanta anymore..
My thoughts as well.

Kovy has seen Savard, Heatley and Hossa exit Atlanta and he's been there for 8 years and made the playoffs once.

I think Kovy wants to get paid, but he wants to get paid a fair amount by a team who's shown they can manage the cap and build a playoff team around him.

Atlanta has shown that they cannot successfully build a competitive team around Kovy and he's tired of waiting for it to happen.

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02-04-2010, 03:44 PM
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By the way in regards to trading Jarrett Stoll. I would HATE to see that happen. He's one of the guys who is a "King" if you know what I mean. That guy goes out and there and does his job. Awesome in the faceoff circle and I don't want to break up that little Edmonton trio of Stolly, Greene, and Smyth. All the guys in the room like each other.. I just would rather have it be someone other than Stoll.

I'd trade Frolov before I traded Stoll.. And I know Frolov is way more skilled.. But Stoll works every night and Frolov just doesn't.
I agree to a certain extent. I notice that Stoll elevates his game when it counts. I think he'll be very valuable during the playoffs. He was a big part of Edmontons' Cup run in 05-06.

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02-04-2010, 03:47 PM
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By the way in regards to trading Jarrett Stoll. I would HATE to see that happen. He's one of the guys who is a "King" if you know what I mean. That guy goes out and there and does his job. Awesome in the faceoff circle and I don't want to break up that little Edmonton trio of Stolly, Greene, and Smyth. All the guys in the room like each other.. I just would rather have it be someone other than Stoll.

I'd trade Frolov before I traded Stoll.. And I know Frolov is way more skilled.. But Stoll works every night and Frolov just doesn't.
I would hate to lose Stoll also, especially now that he is playing like a legit 2nd line center.

However, to lock up Kovalchuk we would have to clear some CAP space and looking at all our other forwards he is most likely to be traded other than Frolov.

Kopitar - No.
Smyth - No.
Brown - No.
Williams - Yes (Injury history) but very doubtful ATL will take him, he's hurt.
Simmonds - No.
Handzus - Yes but NTC.
Frolov - Yes.

Everyone else I would trade but it wouldn't give us CAP relief and who knows if ATL wants them. Purcell, Moller (This would hurt), Parse, Richardson...etc.,

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02-04-2010, 03:56 PM
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Sorry but the idea of having Richardson as the 2nd line center makes me want to vomit. Please don't say "Schenn will be the 2nd line center next year" crap. He's got another year left in JR & possibly another year in Manchester.

Stoll & Simmonds are deal breakers. Rental Kovy gets prospects & picks.

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Really? What do you think the differentiating factor is in that statement?

Is he saying that Moreau and a top-4 puck mover are better than Kovy?

**OR**

Is he saying that Moreau/top-4 are a smarter acquisition than unloading the roster for a rental Kovy?

If you ask the poster, I believe the latter would better represent their thoughts.
Keep reading the thread. The poster did reply and said he thinks Kovi's game is selfish and that's why he wouldn't ever want him on the team...

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02-04-2010, 04:02 PM
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Nearly 1000 posts on a player that is not a King and we may or may not get.

That is an eye opener.

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Sorry but the idea of having Richardson as the 2nd line center makes me want to vomit. Please don't say "Schenn will be the 2nd line center next year" crap. He's got another year left in JR & possibly another year in Manchester.

Stoll & Simmonds are deal breakers. Rental Kovy gets prospects & picks.
Like others suggested, it's possible a 3rd party can get involved to help us make a deal.

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02-04-2010, 04:04 PM
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Maybe Wadell won't let other teams talk to Kovy is because he
knows that Kovy plans to go to the KHL and he would only get
rental prices.

But every day that Wadell won't Kovy talk to other teams means that his bargainig power keeps getting less and less. imo, he needs to let Kovy talk to any team, or he's going to wind up getting nothing in return.

I don't know much about Atl, but if Kovy goes for nothing, how can Wadell expect to keep his job? He HAS to trade Kovy, and soon. Rental prices are better than zero.

It's kind of sad it's come to this, but business is business.

DL has the same situation w/ Frolov, but if Fro walks, that has no where near the impact (on the team and/or fans) of Kovy walking.

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Sorry but the idea of having Richardson as the 2nd line center makes me want to vomit. Please don't say "Schenn will be the 2nd line center next year" crap. He's got another year left in JR & possibly another year in Manchester.

Stoll & Simmonds are deal breakers. Rental Kovy gets prospects & picks.
I think we both agree Richardson is better suited as a 3rd liner.

So having him as the second line center is not great but we also have Zeus that can play with Smyth and Brown if Richardson can't get it done.

Oh almost forgot, FYI Richardson is currently our 1st line LWinger.

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Nearly 1000 posts on a player that is not a King and we may or may not get.

That is an eye opener.
That's a sign that it's time to bump the beer thread.

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Nearly 1000 posts on a player that is not a King and we may or may not get.

That is an eye opener.

Imagine if the internets existed before Gretzky was traded here.

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Kovalchuk – Kopitar – Williams
Smyth – Richardson – Brown
Parse – Handzus– Simmonds
Segal – Moller - Purcell

Doughty – Scuderi
Johnson – O’Donnell
Greene – Drewiske

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Stoll, Frolov, Defensive Prospect, 2nd rounder..I doubt too many teams will be able to match this.
I fully agreed.

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What about Stoll, Frolov, Drewiske, and a 2010 2nd round pick or a 2011 1st round pick for Kovalchuk?

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Simmonds
Smyth-Handzus-Brown
Parse-Richardson-Purcell
Ivanans/Harrold-Moller-Segal

with Williams taking Purcell's spot when he's ready.

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I fully agreed.
And the way Brownie has been playing for a good while now, imagine him on the same line as Kovalchuk and Kopitar. Sick.

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