It's been a whole 3 weeks since he is aloud to talk to his agent about resigning him. so ?
If there was interest in making a deal, talks could have at least started already. The deal doesn't have to be finalized 3 weeks later, but certainly talks could have been initiated.
Gainey just doesn't know how to deal with players to make them feel appreciated. Pretty sure Plekanec and Walsh were expecting a call. I wouldn't be surprised if Plekanec slowing down is a result of his disapointment in not even getting a call from Gainey.
Think about it, unless the salary cap goes up, I doubt we have the room to keep him.
thats speculation, i can do it too.. watch...
pleks has been slowing down ever since he got named to be part of the olympics.
In the long run, we can't keep Plek and Gomez and hope to compete at a high level... we've been exposed far too often.
We were going pretty good while everyone is healthy but no one should expect full health over the 80 game grind of an NHL season. Also, pretty good will get you to the dance, but it won't get you by the top teams in the East.
With those two things in mind, and in light of the Gomez contract, I don't think you need to be Kreskin to predict this outcome.
If there was interest in making a deal, talks could have at least started already. The deal doesn't have to be finalized 3 weeks later, but certainly talks could have been initiated.
when you go running after someone the minute they're available, it shows desperation and weakness. Also gives the person more value. This also applies to women.
Not really. I like Gangsta, but overall he's too wimpy to ever be a first-line warrior. I say package him up with Halak and the Ghost (and a few others) for 2-3 rough, tough SOBs who can hit, fight, score and cause mayhem.
The Era of "Montreal Is Easy To Play" must end NOW!!!!! WHO'S WITH ME???? GRRRRAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gainey's non-negotiation tactics at it again. Latendresse said he felt under appreciated by his terrible offer, same thing happening again, no surprise. Good chance Plekanec is gone. Hope we can get a good return for him at the deadline.
Not that sure that Pleks will be gone, but I really can't understand Bob's way to handle soon to be free agents. It's only normal he doesn't start negociating in january, but he HAS to understand he must make a move sooner rather than later. Even if the offer is far from what the deal will be in the end, it's a way to make the players understand they are his priorities. Make them feel desired. Plus, it can give him serious hints about the players intentions and if he'll have to trade them at the deadline. They have agents who can handle that, I can't imagine it would seriously affect their play on the ice.
If there was interest in making a deal, talks could have at least started already. The deal doesn't have to be finalized 3 weeks later, but certainly talks could have been initiated.
Are you insinuating that Gainey isn't interested in making a deal??..
Funny because Bob personally identified him as a player they'd want to re-sign before July 1st.
Gainey won't let him walk and start next season with Gomez-Lappy.
Negotiations with Markov didn't start before the end of the season.
People always point fingers at the GM, but maybe Plek doesn't even want to re-sign here.
Let's just freaking wait to see where we even stand come Deadline.
Speculating this or that is useless, anybody come up with different scenarios.
Players are human beings. They produce better when motivated appropriately.
We'd all like to think they're robots but that's not the reality of the situation.
Nicely said, I agree.
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Originally Posted by overlords
when you go running after someone the minute they're available, it shows desperation and weakness. Also gives the person more value. This also applies to women.
Negotiation 101
I don't think Bob is dealing from a position of strength. I could see Thomas leaving Montreal if a similar offer is received from a team out west, LA in particular.
If Plekanec is made available or is a UFA come July 1st, look for L.A. to come calling first!
Yeah, I'm sure the Kings would love to shell out $4 to 5 million per for a center that would play behind Anze Kopitar (who's making $6.8 million next season) and can join their other centers (Jarett Stoll (earning $3.6 million next year and the season after that) and Michal Handzus ($4 million next year.)
Are you really suggesting the Kings should tie up nearly $20 million for four centers, including a fourth line center that will be pulling down around $4 million per?
Yeah, I'm sure the Kings would love to shell out $4 to 5 million per for a center that would play behind Anze Kopitar (who's making $6.8 million next season) and can join their other centers (Jarett Stoll (earning $3.6 million next year and the season after that) and Michal Handzus ($4 million next year.)
Are you really suggesting the Kings should tie up nearly $20 million for four centers, including a fourth line center that will be pulling down around $4 million per?
Really?
Well... we are paying almost half of that for one center here.
Yeah, I'm sure the Kings would love to shell out $4 to 5 million per for a center that would play behind Anze Kopitar (who's making $6.8 million next season) and can join their other centers (Jarett Stoll (earning $3.6 million next year and the season after that) and Michal Handzus ($4 million next year.)
Are you really suggesting the Kings should tie up nearly $20 million for four centers, including a fourth line center that will be pulling down around $4 million per?
Really?
If that doesn't tip you off that WestIslander is Eklund or Marinaro I don't know what would. Cap? What cap?
I don't think Bob is dealing from a position of strength. I could see Thomas leaving Montreal if a similar offer is received from a team out west, LA in particular.
I agree that Bob gainey isn't really in the best position in regards to dealing with pleks... atlhough pleks has cooled off since andrei has been injured, so signing him in 2 weeks might be better than having set up an extension 2 weeks ago. Who knows?
All i know is that if pleks' phone had rang the second gainey had the option, it would have looked a bit sad.
Gainey's non-negotiation tactics at it again. Latendresse said he felt under appreciated by his terrible offer, same thing happening again, no surprise. Good chance Plekanec is gone. Hope we can get a good return for him at the deadline.
Maybe Gainey just underappraciated his skating abilitiy, heart, desire to play at an elite level, his physical conditioning, professioanlism and lack of point production. Jeeze.
As for Plex, Gainey will resign him as he said he would try. Habs are up against the cap so it's hard to negociate with someone when you don't know how much money you wil have available until after the NHL has their cap #'s for next year.
Try not to over react when it comes to negocaitions, there will be no player signed until later in this year. This isn't a "Gainey" thing how so many are trying to make it up to be. He said he would try to work out a deal so relax.
I agree that Bob gainey isn't really in the best position in regards to dealing with pleks... atlhough pleks has cooled off since andrei has been injured, so signing him in 2 weeks might be better than having set up an extension 2 weeks ago. Who knows?
All i know is that if pleks' phone had rang the second gainey had the option, it would have looked a bit sad.
Gainey's handling of FA's is scary to say the least. If he can't get a handle on Pleks willingness to sign, I hope he trades him instead of losing him for nothing. (Souray, Streit)
I'm a little biased, since I lost almost all my faith in Gainey before the end of last season.
it amazes me that so many people think this is no big deal...
i guess some of the same people will be the ones calling Pleks a traitor if he signs with the leafs on July 1st (and don't be surprised if they are one of the teams making him a big offer), after the rejects the habs offer a few days before the deadline.
Mcguire, whom i don't always agree with, said it best in the pre-game last night. You have to be aggressive as a GM.
Gainey's passive approach to dealing with upcoming UFA's has cost us in the past, and if he sits on the fence again (with Pleks and/or with the goaltending situation) it will hurt us again.
Look around at all the teams enjoying sustained success... one of their hallmarks is getting key pieces signed long-term well BEFORE they get to UFAgency... especially now in the Cap era.
It's not rocket science.
like it or not, players are normal human beings, with sometimes fragile and often big ego's (even if the aren't outwardly arrogant). A team/GM that passively goes about dealing with them sends the message that "you aren't all that important to us"... While that might not affect every player, I can guarantee you, from personal experience, that it goes a long way to determining what kind of "loyalty" a player will be willing to show later on.
Money talks, for sure, but how players are treated and dealt with is also a big factor. Making zero effort to get talks going is a surefire way to encourage a player to lean towards testing out his options.
What's more, unless Gainey is 100% certain that he is going to move Pleks at the deadline, waiting to start the negotiations only makes it tougher for him to make the right decision as the deadline approaches. As much as we clearly need to hang on to plekanec, it's obviously not at "any cost", so if he and his agent are determined to test the market, or determined not to settle for less than a certain $$ amount that is well above what the team is ready to commit, it's common sense that a GM would want to get that information AS SOON AS POSSIBLE....
people can call me a "hater" all they want (as ridiculous as it is, as if I would "hate" a person just because he happens to be bad at his job), but this is yet another sign that Gainey, as GM, has not learnt a thing from his past mistakes, and one long look at the team he's assembled after 6 years on the job is evidence enough that the job he's doing is not anywhere near good enough.
Molson's PLEASE wake up and pull the trigger... just as Gainey's done so often in the past, there is no need to show any kind of "special" treatment just because you respect what he once was or what he did as a player for the franchise... this is business, time to hold him accountable for all the mistakes BEFORE he makes even more of them!
