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01-22-2010, 12:13 PM
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Pittsburg, as rumours have stated recently, are going to be all over Poni. He's a cheap 25+ goal scoring winger and the Pens will be just as after that as they were last season. Malkin and Crosby stand a very good chance of bringing them another cup provided they get adaquate support.

To Pissburg: Poni, Hagman

To Toronto: Kunitz, Tangradi, 1st

Does this make sense for both teams? Hagman is an upgrade over Kunitz I believe and will save the Pens a little against the cap for the next two seasons, and they would have two, make that three, very very good top lines. As for the Leafs, they're getting a solid winger and two young pieces for the future.

Edit: Looking at this again, the Leafs might have to add a prospect.

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01-22-2010, 12:13 PM
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Significantly greater than yours or anyone here.
Funny how that works: we're all experts when we criticize JFJ, but the professional scout card gets thrown out there when someone says Morrison's been doing a mediocre job.

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01-22-2010, 12:14 PM
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Yeah let's trade Poni for a 2nd. Why not hand that first overall pick to Boston on a silver platter?

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Hypothetically speaking, do you think that if Morrison disagreed with Burke he would have openly denounce it to the media?
If he had an IQ under 80...

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Is your opinion better than his? I don't think so.
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Significantly greater than yours or anyone here.
Sure, but my evaluation is not in question here as I am not employed by MLSE.. I also didn't even give my opinion on the selections.

Dave Morrison on the other hand is Director of Amateur Scouting for the Toronto Maple Leafs, and is accountable for the selections being made. So I asked what success has Morrison had that constitutes that his opinion is held in such high regard.

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01-22-2010, 12:19 PM
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What is Morrison's track record that makes his opinion one of value?

The past The Hockey News Future Watch ranked Leafs under 21 prospects #29 of 30 teams overall..

Morrison's drafts were from 2006-2009 and the exact players in question here that place Leafs prospect pool at the near bottom of the NHL in a comparison of other teams.

The only drafted players under Morrison that have played on the Leafs this year are Euro's Kulemin, Gunnarsson and Stalberg, Schenn and 3 of those are more likely to be here as a result of Chief Euro Amateur Scout Thommie Bergman. The other Luke Schenn as the only NA player and many question his selection were it was made at #5 overall.
Colorado was #27. They might have missed that one by a bit.

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01-22-2010, 12:22 PM
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Sure, but my evaluation is not in question here as I am not employed by MLSE.. I also didn't even give my opinion on the selections.

Dave Morrison on the other hand is Director of Amateur Scouting for the Toronto Maple Leafs, and is accountable for the selections being made. So I asked what success has Morrison had that constitutes that his opinion is held in such high regard.
His cashing of an NHL paycheck and continued employment in the League..

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01-22-2010, 12:23 PM
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His cashing of an NHL paycheck and continued employment in the League..
By that logic, Ron Wilson is doing a perfectly acceptable job of coaching the Toronto Maple Leafs.

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Sadly, players like Pony and Stajan could be actually be kept at the right price of $3 mil or less.

A 2nd line of Pony -- Stajan -- Hagman isn't all that bad for secondary scoring IF you had a real 1st line.

Its really Jason Blake, Jeff Finger, along with some pending UFAs like Tosaka and Exelby need to go ASAP.
Bang on. We just might have two thirds of a top line next year with Kadri & Kessel, though I would rather he fills out his frame first in the AHL or playing the 3rd line so as not to put too much pressure on the kid. Here's hoping this kid bulks right up over the summer.

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I've always found The Hockey News' assessment of prospects comparable to Hockeysfuture.com, and that's not saying much.

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01-22-2010, 12:25 PM
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By that logic, Ron Wilson is doing a perfectly acceptable job of coaching the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Who's to say he isn't?

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By that logic, Ron Wilson is doing a perfectly acceptable job of coaching the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Not to mention the other pros like JFJ whose fine work has put the Leafs in the position they are now.

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Eric Duhatschek thinks he's worth a 1st rounder.

Thinks Atlanta could offer 1st rounder to re-unite Antropov with him.

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Who's to say he isn't?
Primeau playing in OT, which is a 4 on 4 situation where the objective is to score a goal kind of says something about what kind of job Wilson's doing. Or Stempniak on the point on a PP when he can't pass, shoot, QB or defend or play hockey. Or Toskala getting starts at all. Etc.

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01-22-2010, 12:29 PM
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Eric Duhatschek thinks he's worth a 1st rounder.

Thinks Atlanta could offer 1st rounder to re-unite Antropov with him.
Done done and done. I would personally carry Poni's equipment to the airport on foot.

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01-22-2010, 12:30 PM
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What is Morrison's track record that makes his opinion one of value?

The past The Hockey News Future Watch ranked Leafs under 21 prospects #29 of 30 teams overall..

Morrison's drafts were from 2006-2009 and the exact players in question here that place Leafs prospect pool at the near bottom of the NHL in a comparison of other teams.

The only drafted players under Morrison that have played on the Leafs this year are Euro's Kulemin, Gunnarsson and Stalberg, Schenn and 3 of those are more likely to be here as a result of Chief Euro Amateur Scout Thommie Bergman. The other Luke Schenn as the only NA player and many question his selection were it was made at #5 overall.
You Can't draft anybody when our picks are traded especially high end picks. Some of the other picks are playing in the NHL but not here.

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01-22-2010, 12:31 PM
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Eric Duhatschek thinks he's worth a 1st rounder.

Thinks Atlanta could offer 1st rounder to re-unite Antropov with him.
I wish that was true.

AS I said a few days ago, I think he might fetch a late 1st round pick possibly from a contender at the top of its conference.

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[QUOTE=John-Eric Iannicello;23349359]When I was at the WFCU, I only saw two NHL GMs there - Don Waddel and Ken Holland (they were sitting together in the press box). Not saying there weren't more, but for conversation purposes.


Chiarelli (Boston) was there too.

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I've always found The Hockey News' assessment of prospects comparable to Hockeysfuture.com, and that's not saying much.
That's because the people that know prospects best are working in hockey and not for publications.

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What is Morrison's track record that makes his opinion one of value?
This.

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This.
What do you know about the Leafs draft picks?

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Eric Duhatschek thinks he's worth a 1st rounder.

Thinks Atlanta could offer Peverly to re-unite Antropov with him.
Fixed.

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Pittsburg, as rumours have stated recently, are going to be all over Poni. He's a cheap 25+ goal scoring winger and the Pens will be just as after that as they were last season. Malkin and Crosby stand a very good chance of bringing them another cup provided they get adaquate support.

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To Toronto: Kunitz, Tangradi, 1st

Does this make sense for both teams? Hagman is an upgrade over Kunitz I believe and will save the Pens a little against the cap for the next two seasons, and they would have two, make that three, very very good top lines. As for the Leafs, they're getting a solid winger and two young pieces for the future.

Edit: Looking at this again, the Leafs might have to add a prospect.

take out Tangradi or the first and this deal might make sense. Otherwise, Pens are paying too much.

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What do you know about the Leafs draft picks?
What do you want to know?

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Primeau playing in OT, which is a 4 on 4 situation where the objective is to score a goal kind of says something about what kind of job Wilson's doing. Or Stempniak on the point on a PP when he can't pass, shoot, QB or defend or play hockey. Or Toskala getting starts at all. Etc.
Stempniak is not a favourite of mine but he has a nasty good shot, and one times the puck very well.

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