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01-23-2010, 09:31 PM
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The west leg is just taking space that a bus can take. The LRT works fine if it has it's own space it does not have to share with regular traffic.

As for the fairy tale of population density, Calgary has a larger LRT system and they are nothing but sprawl, probably caused by the LRT...



Calgary's population density is 50 percent higher than Edmonton's.

Edmonton personifies urban sprawl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Canada

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01-23-2010, 09:38 PM
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Very true, but Edmonton is still plenty cold. When I was back there this Christmas visiting from Toronto, I couldn't believe how cold it was in comparison. Edmonton is cold.
You do realize the temperature can be different in two different places at the same time, right?

A quick google search reveals the following as the list of coldest Canadian cities (based on average extremes in December and January).

Winnipeg -10.3 -20.2
Saskatoon -9.6 -19.9
Regina -8.4 -19.1
Saguenay -8.4 -19.2
Sudbury -6.5 -16.4
Quebec -6.3 -15.7
Edmonton -5.4 -14.3
Trois-Rivieres -5.2 -15.3
Ottawa -4.4 -13.2
Sherbrooke -4.1 -16.1

So someone coming from Montreal can probably handle Edmonton's weather. I can't believe we're having this conversation again.

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01-23-2010, 09:47 PM
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That is the whole point to rail -- replacing fossil fuel vehicles.
we get most electricity from burning coal and natural gas - coal is not very clean...


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01-23-2010, 09:47 PM
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It's pretty sad that St. Albert is the densest city in Alberta.

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01-23-2010, 09:48 PM
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It's pretty sad that St. Albert is the densest city in Alberta.
Good planning will do that.

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01-23-2010, 09:51 PM
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There's now a Coras on Calgary Trail just north of 23rd Avenue.

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01-23-2010, 09:58 PM
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we get most electricity from burning coal and natural gas - coal is not very clean...

This is another argument that comes up, but it misses the point. Moving the pollution that's happening to outside of the city is a Good Thing. I'd reckon it's also cheaper and less polluting overall to have one plant operating instead of thousands of cars, due to economies of scale.

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Good planning will do that.
That and a large municipality fused to its side that its residents can mooch from.

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That and a large municipality fused to its side that its residents can mooch from.
Not exactly sure how that affects population density.

One would think a city with a large urban core would have higher density than a small city like St. Albert but that's not the case in Edmonton.


Call it West Edmonton Mall Syndrome.

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01-23-2010, 10:09 PM
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I like the fact that Edmonton has craploads of green space.

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This is another argument that comes up, but it misses the point. Moving the pollution that's happening to outside of the city is a Good Thing. I'd reckon it's also cheaper and less polluting overall to have one plant operating instead of thousands of cars, due to economies of scale.
Pollute lake wabamun with mercury, arsenic, and copper....sure, sure...


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01-23-2010, 10:23 PM
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Not exactly sure how that affects population density.

One would think a city with a large urban core would have higher density than a small city like St. Albert but that's not the case in Edmonton.


Call it West Edmonton Mall Syndrome.

St. Albert is all cul de sacs - less streets and more homes...

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=s...-8&sa=N&tab=wl

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01-23-2010, 10:29 PM
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St. Albert is all cul de sacs - less streets and more homes...

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=s...-8&sa=N&tab=wl
Yes it is.

An example of environmentally responsible urban planning.

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01-23-2010, 10:32 PM
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Yes it is.

An example of environmentally responsible urban planning.
No it's just a small city. Something similiar in Edmonton would result in massive increases in commute times.

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Not exactly sure how that affects population density.

One would think a city with a large urban core would have higher density than a small city like St. Albert but that's not the case in Edmonton.

Call it West Edmonton Mall Syndrome.
Edmonton can expand outward at will. St. Albert can't, and might even get enveloped in a few years time. It's easier to plan density for a city which is essentially all residential compared to a city that has to balance the needs of residents, businesses and industry. St. Albert can optimize their space for residential needs only.

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Pollute lake wabamun with mercury, arsenic, and copper....sure, sure...

I'm not a coal industry apologist, and that kind of thing happens, for sure. When it does, they should punish the company. Badly.

But on the whole, you've avoided the general point of my argument completely.

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01-23-2010, 11:23 PM
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Yes it is.

An example of environmentally responsible urban planning.
Isn't it more environmentally responsible to have highrise buildings instead of endless rows of cul-de-sacs?

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Everyone can stop wasting their time arguing about Edmonton with DSF because you'll get nowhere. This is what he thinks about Edmonton.

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It's a wasteland...sorry.

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01-23-2010, 11:29 PM
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Isn't it more environmentally responsible to have highrise buildings instead of endless rows of cul-de-sacs?
Yes it is to be sure but if you are building bedroom community like St. Albert without a defined downtown core, St. Albert has done very well.

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Everyone can stop wasting their time arguing about Edmonton with DSF because you'll get nowhere. This is what he thinks about Edmonton.
We're all entitled to our opinions.

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01-23-2010, 11:35 PM
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Yes it is to be sure but if you are building bedroom community like St. Albert without a defined downtown core, St. Albert has done very well.
That's fine, however, the issue is not about if St. Albert has a core, it's about St. Albert's approach (lots of cul-de-sacs) being environmentally friendly or not. I would contend any city planning based around rows and rows of detached houses to be something environmentally unfriendly, as it's the basis for low density sprawl.

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01-23-2010, 11:39 PM
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How is it Edmonton bashing my being amused you have to plug you car in?
im not sure what he meant but i think edmonton is a great place to live its very laid back and i loved growing up here the only thing you have to worry about id the weather really cold over here

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Yes it is to be sure but if you are building bedroom community like St. Albert without a defined downtown core, St. Albert has done very well.
On a board full of Edmontonians, you would be stupid to not think that's heavily offensive to the residents.

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01-23-2010, 11:44 PM
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On a board full of Edmontonians, you would be stupid to not think that's heavily offensive to the residents.
So only non-offensive opinions are valid?

And there are posters here from all over the place some who like Edmonton and some who don't.

Is this about censoring those who don't agree with you?

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On a board full of Edmontonians, you would be stupid to not think that's heavily offensive to the residents.
Be easy on him. He's still upset over the way the Canucks org. has been treating the next great NHL Superstar Pavel Shirokov.

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