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01-25-2010, 10:07 PM
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A bad tournament tells nothing about a players potential. Potential is not his current play, if it were players potentials would drastically change form week to week.

Honestly I don't see Eberle being much more than a 2nd liner.
I think alot of Oilers fans would agree with this IMO. I see him as a legit second liner and a borderline first liner.

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01-25-2010, 10:09 PM
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Yeah I wold agree with that assessment.

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01-25-2010, 10:10 PM
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Did anybody honestly think that either team would agree to give up their two top prospects?
Obviously Sens fans prefer our guys, and Oilers fans prefer their guys. Considering mostly all have a relatively small sample size for these players, it's natural to assume they are the greatest. In theory it could have brought up a good discussion, but once it starts going back and forth with regurgitated arguments, it's pretty clear that this isn't going anywhere

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Well I sort of got tired of the "MPS can finish, Eberle is too small" "Bryan Murray is a genius" "Andre Pettersson is better than MPS".
"Cowen's knee is shot", "Petry is better than Wiercioch", "MPS is so athletic", "PPG in the WHL". Man, if I were easily tired by repetitious arguments, I'd be in my grave by now.

I mean, everything we say, you guys respond with the same argument, just in different words.

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01-25-2010, 10:44 PM
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eberle > cowen and Weircioch

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01-25-2010, 10:48 PM
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Didn't ottawa choose cowen before Heatley decided to ditch... If heatley ditched earlier i think they might have chosen MPS

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01-25-2010, 10:50 PM
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eberle > cowen and Weircioch
Cowen > Eberle & MPS

See? I can do it too.

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01-25-2010, 10:53 PM
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Didn't ottawa choose cowen before Heatley decided to ditch... If heatley ditched earlier i think they might have chosen MPS
Ottawa chose Cowen well after Heatley declared his intention to leave the Senators.

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01-25-2010, 10:59 PM
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Didn't ottawa choose cowen before Heatley decided to ditch... If heatley ditched earlier i think they might have chosen MPS
No.

This happened way before the draft. We "almost" traded for L.A.'s#5 pick... and we would have Schenn

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No.

This happened way before the draft. We "almost" traded for L.A.'s#5 pick... and we would have Schenn
Source? I believe LA never wanted any part of Heatley.

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01-25-2010, 11:13 PM
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No.

This happened way before the draft. We "almost" traded for L.A.'s#5 pick... and we would have Schenn
That was just an internet rumour I think. While it's hard for me to believe that L.A didn't inquire at all (their name popped up too much), I don't think they were ever willing to give up nearly enough for talks to really progress.

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01-25-2010, 11:15 PM
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Source? I believe LA never wanted any part of Heatley.
Probaby.

Senschirp said that Murray was interested in JJ from from LA, if they were interested in Heatley...

and then rumors started circulating.

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01-25-2010, 11:16 PM
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That was just an internet rumour I think. While it's hard for me to believe that L.A didn't inquire at all (their name popped up too much), I don't think they were ever willing to give up nearly enough for talks to really progress.
They should be angry at themselves.

Signed Heatley... or unsigned Kovy...

It would have cost them less to get Heatley

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They should be angry at themselves.

Signed Heatley... or unsigned Kovy...

It would have cost them less to get Heatley
This is the wrong thread for that, but I was literally thinking of that today. LA's floundering while Heatley fills the net with pucks. They should be frustrated with themselves if they even had the chance in the first place.

EDIT: Floundering's the wrong word, they've been struggling of late.

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This is the wrong thread for that, but I was literally thinking of that today. LA's floundering while Heatley fills the net with pucks. They should be frustrated with themselves if they even had the chance in the first place.

EDIT: Floundering's the wrong word, they've been struggling of late.
Yeah, but instead he plays for a rival, and Lombardi just publicly insulted the player we would have taken as the core of the package.


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The ignorance in here is impressive.

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The ignorance in here is impressive.
By both sides.

Eberle is a great prospect. Mps is a great prospect. Weirioch is a great prospect. Cowen is a great prospect.

Neither team is going to swap any of these players.

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01-25-2010, 11:54 PM
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By both sides.

Eberle is a great prospect. Mps is a great prospect. Weirioch is a great prospect. Cowen is a great prospect.

Neither team is going to swap any of these players.

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Pretty much. Visnovski would be a great fit in Ottawa, but Edmonton needs youth and picks, Ottawa can't afford to give any up. Thus, Edmonton will get a better offer elsewhere.

I doubt we see this move made, unless Ottawa grossly underpays which i doubt will happen.

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01-26-2010, 12:05 AM
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Ah yes, the eternal 'A few games in a short tournament determines one's whole career' argument..

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i sort of agree, it definitely isn't the be all / end all to cowen, but yeah it should be noted how bad he played for sure..

he simply couldn't keep up, couldn't adjust defensively with his skating, and he seemed to severely lack confidence with the puck..

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edmonton is fine on defence, this really doesnt make sense for them. For ottawa flipping one for a legit top line forward prospect would be nice, but edmonton's not the right team to do it with.

Ideally, we can get someone like filatov on the cheap, or trade volchenkov for one of phoenix's young forwards.

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edmonton is fine on defence, this really doesnt make sense for them. For ottawa flipping one for a legit top line forward prospect would be nice, but edmonton's not the right team to do it with.

Ideally, we can get someone like filatov on the cheap, or trade volchenkov for one of phoenix's young forwards.
this.
forget about the potential of the 4. ottawa would be left with no depth in defensive prospects and edmonton would be left with no offensive prospects. this trade doesn't work because of the teams involved, not because of the value of the prospects.

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Can we stop making Ottawa - Edmonton trade proposals? Every one turns into the same thread.

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Cowen > Eberle & MPS

See? I can do it too.
I forgot my grade 8 math lol.


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A little late in this debate but yeah... Small forwards all belong in Edmonton and MPS wasn't good enough to be taken with the #9 pick last season and he's definitely not good enough to be traded for Cowen today.

As for Cowen's WJC tournament. I forgot that all careers are made or broken in the WJC. Jeff Glass is having quite the NHL career, isn't he?

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I know Edmonton is rebuilding, but as far as I know, they don't have a lot of blue-chip prospects on the backend, and Ottawa is the same up front. So, with that in mind, how about something with this framework :

To Edm :

One of Wiercioch/Cowen

To Ott :

Eberle

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Heck, or even :

To Edm :

Wiercioch and Cowen

To Ott :

Eberle and MPS
Really really a bad thread idea, this will not go well... and I have only read your OP when i wrote this...

And not interested in those deals. Maybe Cowen for MPS but we all know that won't happen

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Don't get me wrong, as a Sens fan, I really like both Wiercioch and especially Cowen, but with Kovalev gone after next year, and Alfie gone in 2 or 3 years, we need some first line potential up front to play with Spezza. I like Regin, Foligno, and Zach Smith, but I don't really see any of them as higher than a 2nd liner.
What about Michalek? What about Fisher?

Michalek-Spezza-Fisher

What about Petersson? Seems to have 1st line potential
Who knows about Regin potential at this point?
What about the UFA market?
What about future draft picks?

I don't care if our future 1st line is not as deadly as the CASH line (Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson), as long as our 2nd and 3rd lines can score consistently.

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