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The Hockey News: Could Colorado take a run at Kovalchuk?

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01-26-2010, 10:46 AM
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The Hockey News: Could Colorado take a run at Kovalchuk?

The Hockey News Rory Boylen believes the Avs have the tools to
swing a trade a for Ilya Kovalchuk.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...Kovalchuk.html

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01-26-2010, 10:51 AM
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as long as the trade doesnt include duchene, stastny, o'reilly, or stewart, or anderson, then im probably ok with it



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EDIT: after reading this guys proposal, the only way we offer that package (wolski, o'reilly, stoa, and a FIRST? YIKES) is if we get a chance to sign kovy and he wants 8ish million or less other wise thats WAAY to much, wolski stoa and a 1st should be more than enuf

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as long as the trade doesnt include duchene, stastny, o'reilly, or stewart, or anderson, then im probably ok with it



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Add Quincey to that. We can't lose our number 1 dman.

Oh, and I don't want to trade for Kovalchuk. Off-season signing or bust! Most teams in the west has less flexible cap space or less developed youth. Chicago can get Kovy but no way could they keep him. So Kovy is most likely staying in the East or going to KHL, which poses no threat to the Avs in the immediate future.

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I still feel that he Avs are in the rebuilding stage, and haven't reached that point where getting a rental of this caliber would be beneficial for the team.

I'd agree that they probably have the assets to swing the trade, but I'd prefer if they continued doing what they are doing, and worry about letting the young guys continue to grow.

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as long as the trade doesnt include duchene, stastny, o'reilly, or stewart, or anderson, then im probably ok with it



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As long as it also doesnt include any of Quincy, Wolski, Liles, Cumiskey, Wilson, Galiardi, Jones, Yip, Shattenkirk, Gaunce, Cohen, Holos, either then I'm happy.

Budaj Stoa and Mercier are about all I'd want Sherman to trade.

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As long as it also doesnt include any of Quincy, Wolski, Liles, Cumiskey, Wilson, Galiardi, Jones, Yip, Shattenkirk, Gaunce, Cohen, Holos, either then I'm happy.

Budaj Stoa and Mercier are about all I'd want Sherman to trade.
This is rich.

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This is rich.
Dont want Kovalchuk. Not even as a UFA signing.

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Dont want Kovalchuk. Not even as a UFA signing.
Yeah, who would ever want that guy?

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colorado

svatos
stoa
liles
1st round pick'10

for

kovalchuk
valabik
3rd round pick'10
People expected Kovalchuk returns to Altanta very much... I really doubt. Will be something simillar to Hossa deal... But this is very bad. Svatos is absolutely useless player. Stoa is struggling prospect... I don't think Atlanta need Liles.

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Dont want Kovalchuk. Not even as a UFA signing.
So you're saying you don't wan't 30g and 26a in 45gp added to the Avs roster.

Kovy would instantly aid our mediocre PP, he would give us a top tier player that could take some of the pressure of Stastny and Duchene...etc. There are so many positives to adding a player of this caliber to your team, thats why so many teams want to add him.

As long as it didn't cost us any of Stastny, Duchene, O'Reilly, Stewart, Anderson or Quincey it would be fine with me if we acquired Kovy.

They can have anyone else in my opinion including any prospect that includes Shattenkirk and any pick they want.

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Could they afford to re-sign him though? I know they have the cap space but is their current ownership willing to pay him what he's looking for?

Avs "window of opportunity" isn't a short run so getting him from a "rental point of view" doesn't make sense. They're in no danger of missing the playoffs this season.

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People expected Kovalchuk returns to Altanta very much... I really doubt. Will be something simillar to Hossa deal... But this is very bad. Svatos is absolutely useless player. Stoa is struggling prospect... I don't think Atlanta need Liles.
I would agree with that statement at the beginning of the season, but the last 2 months he has been good. Currently in his first year of pro hockey in the AHL he has 18g and 9a, and has had the opportunity to play in the NHL a little when the Avs have had some injury problems, I think he is well on his way to developing nicely.

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Could they afford to re-sign him though? I know they have the cap space but is their current ownership willing to pay him what he's looking for?

Avs "window of opportunity" isn't a short run so getting him from a "rental point of view" doesn't make sense. They're in no danger of missing the playoffs this season.
I'm not worried that the owner would be willing to pay to the cap. This is the only year where they cut cost and only because the management expected us to be at the bottom. That said, Kovy is not getting 11 mill from any team in the league. 8.7mill is the max he would get from me in the off-season. If he was willing to re-sign for 8mill or less immediately, Wolski could be included the trade. The Avs are in no hurry to make a trade, so unless its the perfect deal, its best to stick with what we have.

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So you're saying you don't wan't 30g and 26a in 45gp added to the Avs roster.

Kovy would instantly aid our mediocre PP, he would give us a top tier player that could take some of the pressure of Stastny and Duchene...etc. There are so many positives to adding a player of this caliber to your team, thats why so many teams want to add him.

As long as it didn't cost us any of Stastny, Duchene, O'Reilly, Stewart, Anderson or Quincey it would be fine with me if we acquired Kovy.

They can have anyone else in my opinion including any prospect that includes Shattenkirk and any pick they want.
Kovalchuk and the Avs would be a worse combination than Joe Sakic and snowblowers.

Actually I take back my statement about Kovalchuk as a UFA. If he comes at a reasonable price for a reasonable length I wouldnt complain. No 10 year front loaded contract or 8M a year though.

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As long as it also doesnt include any of Quincy, Wolski, Liles, Cumiskey, Wilson, Galiardi, Jones, Yip, Shattenkirk, Gaunce, Cohen, Holos, either then I'm happy.

Budaj Stoa and Mercier are about all I'd want Sherman to trade.
Kovalchuk is a rental, but get real. A rental who is top 5 at his position still commands a big return.

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I would agree with that statement at the beginning of the season, but the last 2 months he has been good. Currently in his first year of pro hockey in the AHL he has 18g and 9a, and has had the opportunity to play in the NHL a little when the Avs have had some injury problems, I think he is well on his way to developing nicely.
Thank for the info. This is good for Stoa, he's very good prospect and i hope he will be good NHL-er. But i still doubt this is enough for Kovalchuk..

but you never know... Atlanta GM is joke.

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Kovalchuk and the Avs would be a worse combination than Joe Sakic and snowblowers.

Actually I take back my statement about Kovalchuk as a UFA. If he comes at a reasonable price for a reasonable length I wouldnt complain. No 10 year front loaded contract or 8M a year though.
8 mill is fair, anything less than 8 is a steal. I'd love to have Kovy at 8 mill for 6 years. I also wouldn't mind a 10 year front loaded if the cap hit is significantly less than 8 (Hossa got 5.5, Kovy for 6.5 is fair).

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Thank for the info. This is good for Stoa, he's very good prospect and i hope he will be good NHL-er. But i still doubt this is enough for Kovalchuk..

but you never know... Atlanta GM is joke.
Oh its most likely not enough, but its as much as a lot of Avs fans are willing to pay at the deadline. We all want Kovy, but given the team's current direction, adding Kovy is a luxury not a necessity.

For fair contracts I'd be willing to send a player like Wolski. If Kovy continues to demand 11, hes a rental pure and simple. We're not going to blow our cap space (to resign Duchene and co later) for one player. For a rental, the Avs will underpay/send crap offers compared to the contenders.

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I'm not worried that the owner would be willing to pay to the cap. This is the only year where they cut cost and only because the management expected us to be at the bottom.
Fair enough. I wasn't sure of the situation, hence my question. Don't be surprised though if some GM does offer him a deal closer to $11 million than $8 million if he does hit free agency. Never underestimate the ability of GM's to overpay.

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If the Avs actually trade valuable players for an unsigned Kovy I will be so rattled. The only way any Avs fan wants him is signed on free agency.

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8 mill is fair, anything less than 8 is a steal. I'd love to have Kovy at 8 mill for 6 years. I also wouldn't mind a 10 year front loaded if the cap hit is significantly less than 8 (Hossa got 5.5, Kovy for 6.5 is fair).
If I look at the blueprint I think the Avs should build towards I dont think it makes sense.

They need to be 3 deep at centre which they have, good goaltending which they have, they still need a legit #1 defender and a very good #2 and #3. No money to go throwing around at a winger.

Will Kovalchuk be just as effective when hes paired with Stastny? Will his numbers drop if hes asked to take much shorter shifts and play as hard defensively as he does offensively? Can he keep up his scoring pace in the playoffs? Can the team fit everything else they need to win under the cap if they have him? Those are all unknowns. If they traded for Kovalchuk, saw the answers to those questions and saw that he fits in then yes re-sign him in the summer like what happened with Bourque and Blake.

But I am not a fan of throwing big money at UFAs who may not gel with the team (too many numerous examples to go through). Despite how Kovalchuk produces I dont want to see an 8M contract or one of those front loaded 10 year contracts either.

Trading for Kovalchuk will be expensive and he may not fit in or he may not want to stay even if he does fit well.

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Fair enough. I wasn't sure of the situation, hence my question. Don't be surprised though if some GM does offer him a deal closer to $11 million than $8 million if he does hit free agency. Never underestimate the ability of GM's to overpay.
If that happens, its probably a eastern gm. Although I can see Dallas taking a run a Kovy in the off-season, and they are my only real worry with Kovy. Even if they overpay for kovy, it makes up for it with guys like Benn on entry level deals, Robidas underpaid, Fistric underpaid, Turco sent into the Texas desert.

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The most Id give up would be 2 of Wolski, Liles, Jones with a pick and prospect. Even then I wouldn't want Kovy because I see a lot of drama when we tried to resign him. Safest bet is just to make a run at him during the offseason.

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The Avalanche has a young coach and good young players. They are playing their hearts out like Chicago last year. Why would the Avs want to bring in a primadonna like Kovalchuk and ruin their lockerroom. Best for a young team to stay away.

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The Hockey News Rory Boylen believes the Avs have the tools to swing a trade a for Ilya Kovalchuk.
I suppose they do have the tools and Boylen is certainly happy that he found a subject for his weekly column. I can't wait for his next column about a package that Buffalo could offer to get Bryzgalov as Miller's backup.

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