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Rangers Prospect Poll: #19

View Poll Results: Who's the 19th most valuable Rangers prospect?
Chris Doyle 1 1.79%
Pavel Valentenko 21 37.50%
Roman Horak 23 41.07%
Daniel Maggio 0 0%
Brodie Dupont 7 12.50%
Mitch Gaulton 4 7.14%
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01-25-2010, 11:23 PM
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Rangers Prospect Poll: #19

On the strength of his skill and despite his present lack of willingness to come to North America, David Kveton made our top 20 in spot #18.

The vote for the prospect to be added to the poll was also very close:
(Based on the HF guidelines of who's a prospect: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect)

Doyle: 7
Stajcer: 2
Pashnin: 1

Don't forget to vote who should be added this round and mention why you are voting for the guy you are voting for.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. D Michael Del Zotto
2. C Artem Anisimov
3. LW Evgeny Grachev
4. C Derek Stepan
5. D Bobby Sanguinetti
6. D Ryan McDonagh
7. LW Chris Kreider
8. D Matt Gilroy
9. C Ethan Werek
10. G Chad Johnson


SECOND TIER

11. D Ilkka Heikkinen
12. D Michael Sauer
13. LW Carl Hagelin
14. RW Dale Weise
15. LW Ryan Bourque
16. LW Dane Byers
17. D Tomas Kundratek
18. RW David Kveton


DAVID KVETON

Right Wing
Born Jan 3 1988 -- Novy Jincin, Czech Rep.
Height 5.11 -- Weight 180 -- Shoots L

2006-07 Gatineau Olympiques QMJHL 31 5 27 32 17
2007-08 Trinec Ocelari HC Czech 28 10 5 15 10
2008-09 Trinec Ocelari HC Czech 46 22 22 44 20
2009-10 Trinec Ocelari HC Czech 44 16 16 32 55


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Horak based on his talent.

Add Nigel Williams. The guy was Colorado's 3rd rated prospect just a year ago. He's huge at 6-foot-4 230 pounds, plays tough and has decent offensive skill. He has all the tools in the set, but has not put them together.

He's still only 21 years old. He may be stuck behind Pasta, Beer and Sauer in Hartford, but the kid has a lot of tools and may well become an excellent defenseman in the future.

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01-25-2010, 11:32 PM
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I went Gaulton. Injuries aside, if this kid gets back on track he can be a very good defenseman.

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Tank. Add Pashnin.

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I went Gaulton. Injuries aside, if this kid gets back on track he can be a very good defenseman.
I kind of hope Gaulton falls to 21 or below because the kid is the definition of a projects and 21-30 will be named "Projects & Suspects".

Plus, Valentenko and Horak are just better prospects.

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01-26-2010, 03:26 AM
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I will take Volentenko again.

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Tank. Add Pashnin, followed by Williams

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Valentenko, add Scott Stajcer.

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Horak, add Pashnin

I am more likely to vote guys drafted more recently in the late rounds because, the younger they are, the more likely an unanticipated breakout season may occur, unlike guys like Dupont or Williams.

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Yeah, Williams sucks. A couple more guys I'd add before him.

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I'm not getting how Valentenko is falling this far. He's been deemed close to NHL ready, while Horak is having a good but hardly outstanding first season in the WHL.

Add Stajcer

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I'm not getting how Valentenko is falling this far. He's been deemed close to NHL ready, while Horak is having a good but hardly outstanding first season in the WHL.

Add Stajcer
He's not one of our draft picks, and few people have seen him. Seems like people award points to some of these guys for being picked by the Rangers. Valentenko definitely needs to go this round.

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Also, guys still left to be added:

Miika Wiikman
Tomas Zaborsky
Nigel Williams
Ryan Hillier
Scott Stajcer
Dan Hobbs
Eric Hunter
David Skokan
Roman Psurny
Max Campbell
Chris Chappell
Tysen Dowzak
Zdenek Bahensky
Greg Beller
Paul Crowder
Devin DiDiomete
Sam Klassen
Jordan Owens
Mikhail Pashnin
Justin Soryal
Lukas Zeliska

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Horak add Stacjer

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He's not one of our draft picks, and few people have seen him. Seems like people award points to some of these guys for being picked by the Rangers. Valentenko definitely needs to go this round.
With all due respect to our fanbase, it seems to me like a lot of people vote without an educated opinion. For instance, how does Klassen get multiple votes to be added 5 or 6 rounds ago and yet now with much weaker competition he's not getting any? How does that, in any way, make sense? What changed between two days ago and today that makes multiple people change their mind?

At least be consistent in your opinions.

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With all due respect to our fanbase, it seems to me like a lot of people vote without an educated opinion. For instance, how does Klassen get multiple votes to be added 5 or 6 rounds ago and yet now with much weaker competition he's not getting any? How does that, in any way, make sense? What changed between two days ago and today that makes multiple people change their mind?

At least be consistent in your opinions.
As we go into deeper rounds, consistency does take a hit. People are--by and large--less familiar with the prospects during these stages. I agree, it's odd though. At least look at who you asked to be added the previous round if you're not sure!

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As we go into deeper rounds, consistency does take a hit. People are--by and large--less familiar with the prospects during these stages. I agree, it's odd though. At least look at who you asked to be added the previous round if you're not sure!
I feel like a poster like Jonathan could come in here and call Greg Beller the next Adam Graves and the next 5 posters would follow him and request to add him. I know people want to be involved, but if you don't know enough about the remaining pool then just don't vote at all!

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How many people have actually seen Valentenko play though? I have read and heard good things but at least the other players I have been able to catch play here and there.

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How many people have actually seen Valentenko play though? I have read and heard good things but at least the other players I have been able to catch play here and there.
I saw him once, LOL. I remember an AHL game a few years back, thinking, "Who is that big ****ing Russian that keeps running into everyone?" So yeah, this late in the game, many of the kids I/we haven't seen much of.

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Thanks for adding the list. It helps make sure we don't forget someone.

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Also, guys still left to be added:

Miika Wiikman
Tomas Zaborsky
Nigel Williams
Ryan Hillier
Scott Stajcer
Dan Hobbs
Eric Hunter
David Skokan
Roman Psurny
Max Campbell
Chris Chappell
Tysen Dowzak
Zdenek Bahensky
Greg Beller
Paul Crowder
Devin DiDiomete
Sam Klassen
Jordan Owens
Mikhail Pashnin
Justin Soryal
Lukas Zeliska

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I think Val took a hit for the same reason as Kveton: we aren't sure they will return to the US. If I were Vally, I'd stick in Russia for the next year or two until the Rangers clear up their jam on defense. He'll come to the US for what now? To play on the second pairing with Sauer in Hart? And even for that spot, he'd need to compete with Potter and the possibly-improved Williams? So it's possible that he'd be Hart's #6 and would at most be a #3-4?

Why would he want that when he can be a star in his home country?

Vally should stay in Russia until at least two spots open up, probably until 3 defensemen are gone (e.g., trade Rosie, lose Heineken, Sauer busts). Even then he'd have to fight with Sangs for a #6 spot in New York.

The reality is that he'll be in Russia until Redden is gone, which will be for a while.


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I think Val took a hit for the same reason as Kveton: we aren't sure they will return to the US. If I were Vally, I'd stick in Russia for the next year or two until the Rangers clear up their jam on defense. He'll come to the US for what now? To play on the second pairing with Sauer in Hart? And even for that spot, he'd need to compete with Potter and the possibly-improved Williams? So it's possible that he'd be Hart's #6 and would at most be a #3-4?

Why would he want that when he can be a star in his home country?

Vally should stay in Russia until at least two spots open up, probably until 3 defensemen are gone (e.g., trade Rosie, lose Heineken, Sauer busts). Even then he'd have to fight with Sangs for a #6 spot in New York.

The reality is that he'll be in Russia until Redden is gone, which will be for a while.
At the same time, though, he has little trade value in Russia because of the uncertainty of him coming over. If he were to come to North America then he'd get his shot, whether it be with the Rangers or another team.

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What teams would you trade our top 20 prospects to in a swap for their top 20?

My way of asking which teams have even stronger farms than we do?

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What teams would you trade our top 20 prospects to in a swap for their top 20?

My way of asking which teams have even stronger farms than we do?
Valtenko
Horak
Then gaulton

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Voted Horak

He and Tank will make up the last of the 20.

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