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Brent Burns for Clowe, Ferreiro & 2nd

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01-31-2010, 03:41 PM
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Brent Burns for Clowe, Ferreiro & 2nd

Sharks could really use a top 4 dman like Burns. Glad to see him back and playing well.

Would Clowe, Benn Ferreiro + a 2nd rounder do the trick? Seems the Wild need forwards. Substitute Torrey Mitchell for Ferreiro or the 2nd.

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01-31-2010, 03:42 PM
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And Minnesota trades their top Dman Why?

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01-31-2010, 03:47 PM
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a. Don't the Wild need top 6 scoring help? Clowe is a top 6 fwd and Ferreiro has potential to be - he's playing 1st line on the AHL Sharks.

b. Thought the Wild have a logjam w/ Johnsson, Zanon, Zidlicky, Schultz and Cuma and Leddy coming up.

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You could have an Oilers top 4 defencemen for that package.

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And Minnesota trades their top Dman Why?
It's arguable to say the least that Burns is Minnesota's top d-man. He may be the more valuable in a trade at this point but he's not their best blue liner right now.

I'd say that going off of the Phaneuf trade that this particular proposal is overpayment for Burns.

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And Minnesota trades their top Dman Why?
He's not their top defenseman currently. Personally, I'd be interested in what he could bring in a potential trade.

As for this current proposal, it's not too bad. Not all that high on Clowe, but he's a strong player and would fit in very well with Koivu. And Ferriero does have a future in the league. Given the uncertainty of Burns' future, I'd say it's some-what of fair trade.

Any chance of getting Setoguchi out of San Jose?

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Johnsson and Zidlicky are both UFA, the Wild won't be trading D until they know what happens to those two...and they very likely would not trade Burns even if they both returned.

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Think of what you said "Logjam" the guys at the bottom would be dealt not the guy at the top who is heads and tails above the rest in Value.

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No. With every passing day it looks more and more like Johnsson/Zidlicky are gone. Latendresse changed our forward need, we need more of a sniper like Setoguchi than a PF, or a center like Pavelski. We're fine for depth forwards, so Ferrio/Mitchell are redundant.

Cuma and Scandella aren't going to make the team next year, 1 should in 2011/12. With how Leddy has played this year in NCAA(unimpressive) he's going to be there till the end of the 12/13 season(4 years), at which point he'll head to the AHL for some time. If we trade Burns we are left with 2 d-men, who offer little offensively(Zanon and Schultz) signed for next year.

Burns may be our #5 d-man right now, but next year he's going to probably be on our top-pairing, unless we somehow sign Paul Martin or re-sign Johnsson. We can't trade him without addressing the future on our blueline, which doesn't look good at this point.

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He's not their top defenseman currently. Personally, I'd be interested in what he could bring in a potential trade.

As for this current proposal, it's not too bad. Not all that high on Clowe, but he's a strong player and would fit in very well with Koivu. And Ferriero does have a future in the league. Given the uncertainty of Burns' future, I'd say it's some-what of fair trade.

Any chance of getting Setoguchi out of San Jose?
Seto? Maybe but Seto > Clowe on the ice and factoring in his cap hit is much more valuable. But, in looking ahead to next season, it's very unlikely the Sharks can keep Patty, Pavs, Seto, Clowe and Nabby so Seto could be had... The Wild would have to up their side - not sure with what though. I don't want Owen Nolan though he'd be a great 3rd liner for the playoffs- ironically enough better than Clowe.

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No. With every passing day it looks more and more like Johnsson/Zidlicky are gone. Latendresse changed our forward need, we need more of a sniper like Setoguchi than a PF, or a center like Pavelski. We're fine for depth forwards, so Ferrio/Mitchell are redundant.

Cuma and Scandella aren't going to make the team next year, 1 should in 2011/12. With how Leddy has played this year in NCAA(unimpressive) he's going to be there till the end of the 12/13 season(4 years), at which point he'll head to the AHL for some time. If we trade Burns we are left with 2 d-men, who offer little offensively(Zanon and Schultz) signed for next year.

Burns may be our #5 d-man right now, but next year he's going to probably be on our top-pairing, unless we somehow sign Paul Martin or re-sign Johnsson. We can't trade him without addressing the future on our blueline, which doesn't look good at this point.
Got it - thanks for the clarification on the Wild's situation.

What would you want for Zidlicky?

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I highly doubt Burns get's traded, He's our best young D-man and he loves being here he even stays in town during the off season

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What would you want for Zidlicky?
I'm of the opinion that Zidlicky could be had for a 2nd/3rd rounder and a solid prospect. I'd be interested in something around Ferriero personally.

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Got it - thanks for the clarification on the Wild's situation.

What would you want for Zidlicky?
Ideally a young NHL-ready #5/6 d-man who can play on the PP(Joslin seems like a fit) + a decent pick/prospect. That way Burns takes Zidlicky's spot(top-4, PK/PP) and the d-man takes Burns current role(3rd pairing/PP).

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I'm of the opinion that Zidlicky could be had for a 2nd/3rd rounder and a solid prospect. I'd be interested in something around Ferriero personally.
I would probably do Ferriero and a 3rd for Zidlicky.

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I'd rather lose Mitchell than Ferriero.

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I'd rather lose Mitchell than Ferriero.
I'll admit that I don't value Ferriero as highly as most others will. I just don't see much more than a 3rd line role out of him but I would agree that I'd rather see Mitchell go first before him simply because of salary.

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I would probably do Ferriero and a 3rd for Zidlicky.
Agree w/ DH - for Zidlicky, in order, I'd give up:

Mitchell
Joslin
Ferreiro

We need potential top 6 players more than the slots the other 2 fill.

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I'd rather lose Mitchell than Ferriero.
And all Torrey Mitchell would do is eat into the Wild's cap space. Yeah, he's be an upgrade on Ebbett for our 4th line center, but Ebbett should be much cheaper. We have Kobasew/Clutterbuck for 3rd line wingers already. There is no point in acquiring him from our side.

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As far as this year is concerned, Zidlicky is probably a better fit for the Sharks right now than Burns. Seems to be a more consistent and reliable player.

Plus, if the Sharks could bring in a guy like Zidlicky without moving Clowe, all the better.

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Isnt it risky to trade for Burns who is very talented....but I would be worried about his health........1 concussion and he is gone for the season or longer

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How would this help the Wild at all?

Oh, that's right, it wouldn't. This would only help San Jose.

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How would this help the Wild at all?

Oh, that's right, it wouldn't. This would only help San Jose.
You don't think that acquiring someone who would step in to be the 3rd leading scorer on your team isn't helpful?

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As I said in the thread in the Wild Boards....Seto and I'd call it a deal.

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How would this help the Wild at all?

Oh, that's right, it wouldn't. This would only help San Jose.
Given Burns' situation, I would say it's very much the Wild's responsibility to at the very least explore what the Wild could recieve in return for Burns.

Yes, the proposed deal isn't the greatest and in all reality, likely wouldn't be incentive enough for the Wild to move Burns. It is decent value all things considered, though, it just wouldn't be what the Wild are lookign for in return considering their needs. However, if the Wild could find their way into a true shooter like a Setoguchi type of player... I think it would be something to seriously consider.

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