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01-27-2010, 08:19 PM
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Phoenix - Philadelphia

to Phoenix

RW, Arron Asham, http://flyers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8465025
D, Ryan Parent, http://flyers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8471692
L/RW,Andreas Nodl, http://flyers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8473568

cap hit: 2.188 Mill. US-$

to Philly

C/RW, Peter Mueller, http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8473526
D, Anders Ericsson, http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8459443
Phoenix 3rd round pick in 2010

cap hit: 2.300 Mill. US-$

new line-ups:

Upshall-Lombardi-Doan
Prucha-Hanzal-Vrbata
Pyatt-Lang-Asham
Bissonnette-Porter-Korpikoski

JovoCop-Yandle
Parent-Michalek
Vandermeer-Aucoin


Gagne-Richards-Powe
Hartnell-Carter-Briere
JVR-Giroux-Mueller
Carcillo-Betts-Laperriere

Pronger-Carle
Coburn-Timonen
Ericsson-Bartulis/Syvret/Tollefsen

Phoenix gains forward depth with Nodl and adds a veteran winger with Asham, who knows how to finish and stands up for his teammates. Center piece of the trade is young, promising stay-at-home d-man Ryan Parent.

Philly gets the veteran, 3rd-pair defender they are lackin of. Center-piece Peter Mueller could blossom on a 3rd line with JVR and Giroux.

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01-27-2010, 08:26 PM
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Here is the problem I have with it. I think Asham actually fits our team very well. He is a great checking line player that can actually play with the skilled players like Giroux and JVR.

Basically, its Asham and Nodl for Mueller. I like Parent and with Coburn potentially being out the door... I think we need him.

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01-27-2010, 08:46 PM
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Why would a team take an injured player? Parent is on IR till middle of March because he just had back surgery, that doesn't make him good trade bait at this time.

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Where is Winnik and Fiddler, Lepisto? What about when Kurt Sauer gets back hopefully before the olympics. The Coyotes hang up the phone here and say no thanks we're looking for OFFENSE not more defense and checking line players

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Asham and Parent for Lepisto and a draft pick I think I would do.

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Do we still owe Philly something for that Carcillo - Upshall trade? :sarcasm

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Do we still owe Philly something for that Carcillo - Upshall trade? :sarcasm
At this point if you just gave us our second rounder back I think you guys still win and we wouldn't be so burnt up about it.




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Where is Winnik and Fiddler, Lepisto? What about when Kurt Sauer gets back hopefully before the olympics. The Coyotes hang up the phone here and say no thanks we're looking for OFFENSE not more defense and checking line players
No freakin way Sauer is back before the Olympics. I don't think he will even return this season, and if he does he won't be 100% till next season. This is why I'd be more open to trading for a depth defenseman, rather than a scoring forward at this point.

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01-27-2010, 10:03 PM
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As dumb as it sounds, I want the Flyers to hang on to Asham. He's perfect for that third line, skilled enough to hang with skill players, but tough enough to give them space to operate. He's been great at his role his entire tenure as a Flyer.

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No freakin way Sauer is back before the Olympics. I don't think he will even return this season, and if he does he won't be 100% till next season. This is why I'd be more open to trading for a depth defenseman, rather than a scoring forward at this point.
There was a report not too long ago by one of the Coyotes bloggers that they ran into Sauer somewhere and he said he was hopeful to start skating again during the Olympic break

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No freakin way Sauer is back before the Olympics. I don't think he will even return this season, and if he does he won't be 100% till next season. This is why I'd be more open to trading for a depth defenseman, rather than a scoring forward at this point.
Sauer is due back just after the olympics per his own testimony. he has been working out now and is in deed approaching his return to the ice.

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As dumb as it sounds, I want the Flyers to hang on to Asham. He's perfect for that third line, skilled enough to hang with skill players, but tough enough to give them space to operate. He's been great at his role his entire tenure as a Flyer.
i'm not interested in trading Asham either. I would be glad to give Them Parent for a pick.

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01-28-2010, 01:35 AM
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i'm not interested in trading Asham either. I would be glad to give Them Parent for a pick.
How about an off-season trade like this...

'11 3rd rounder +Ahnelov

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Parent (+ possible scrap prospect/borderline NHLer)

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01-28-2010, 02:14 AM
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How about an off-season trade like this...

'11 3rd rounder +Ahnelov

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Parent (+ possible scrap prospect/borderline NHLer)
No chance. First of all, the Flyers don't need defensive prospects. That's the LAST thing in the world we need. Secondly, a third rounder in 2011 is just a slap in the face at this point.

If either Parent or Coburn is moved in a deal to PHX it would be in an RFA swap for Mueller.

Coburn was a first pairing defenseman who took a team to the Eastern Conference Finals two years ago. He's had an off year, but seems to have gotten back on the horse lately.

I'm not entirely sure how Mueller is playing, but he's not producing as well as you'd hoped probably.

If I were Holmgren I also wouldn't trade Coburn or Parent for Mueller without having some kind of idea why his production is so drastically low.

To put things into perspective a little bit...right now Coburn has more points than Mueller...

Regardless the Flyers are looking for assets, not pity toss-ins or defensive prospects. And we're also not looking to get ripped off.

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01-28-2010, 02:36 AM
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Peter Mueller for Andrew Cogliano straight up.

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It would take something pretty outstanding for us to move Mueller. I like Parent, and Coburn even moreso but I wouldn't swap Mueller for either of those two straight up. As far as I'm concerned... I'd rather make a fair deal for a #5/6 defenseman this year (contingent on some concrete info regarding Sauer's return before season's end), as opposed to make a splash for a forward at the deadline.

Plus, I really wouldn't consider Ahnelov a "toss-in". I said "Ahnelov" not "Nick Ross". But hey, if the Flyers are set at D, great.

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Plus, I really wouldn't consider Ahnelov a "toss-in". I said "Ahnelov" not "Nick Ross". But hey, if the Flyers are set at D, great.
Ahnelov is a good prospect, don't get me wrong. We just have Coburn, Carle, Parent, Bartulis, Syvret, Bourdon, Marshall, Bertilsson, Lehtivuori, and even Bodrov was recently signed. We have a ton of guys with NHL potential. We're short on forwards. And I didn't call him a toss-in. I called the 3rd round pick a toss-in.

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Coburn was a first pairing defenseman who took a team to the Eastern Conference Finals two years ago. He's had an off year, but seems to have gotten back on the horse lately.
I look forward to your homeristic views on a daily basis. Coburn took a team to the ECF. If you say so. He played a part but he didnt take them anywhere.

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I look forward to your homeristic views on a daily basis. Coburn took a team to the ECF. If you say so. He played a part but he didnt take them anywhere.
It was he and Timonen. Hatcher was skating on one knee, and Smith's back was shot.

Losing Timonen and Coburn was one of the major reasons we couldn't compete against the Pens in that series. We were running two veteran shut-down defensemen at half capacity and an AHL defense behind them. Thinking that Coburn was not a vital part of that season and postseason is just blind disregard for the truth...something you do quite often.

The entire Flyers board has realized time and time again how much you belittle your own team, be it complete cynicism or just another tactic to get attention.

Really, it's getting old.

Regardless, if you want to argue about Coburn of two years ago, by all means start another thread of the Flyers board. In the meantime, don't bring your half-truths here in an attempt to derail any conversation that is taking place.

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Jim Dowd & Steve Downie took the team to the ECF 2 years ago

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It was he and Timonen. Hatcher was skating on one knee, and Smith's back was shot.

Losing Timonen and Coburn was one of the major reasons we couldn't compete against the Pens in that series. We were running two veteran shut-down defensemen at half capacity and an AHL defense behind them. Thinking that Coburn was not a vital part of that season and postseason is just blind disregard for the truth...something you do quite often.

The entire Flyers board has realized time and time again how much you belittle your own team, be it complete cynicism or just another tactic to get attention.

Really, it's getting old.

Regardless, if you want to argue about Coburn of two years ago, by all means start another thread of the Flyers board. In the meantime, don't bring your half-truths here in an attempt to derail any conversation that is taking place.
half truths, that is funny coming from you. Guess coburn leading them to the ecf is 100% truth.You said he lead them, did you not? He was more of a passenger than leader my friend. Where did you see me say he wasnt an important part? Oh you didnt know did you? He sure as hell didnt lead them though. I really dont care what the flyers board realizes. I will not apologize for not being a homer like you and taking an objective point of view. Your points are getting old as is your constant felating of every flyer/flters prospect. Blind disreagrd for the truth, comical.

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half truths, that is funny coming from you. Guess coburn leading them to the ecf is 100% truth.You said he lead them, did you not? He was more of a passenger than leader my friend. Where did you see me say he wasnt an important part? Oh you didnt know did you? He sure as hell didnt lead them though. I really dont care what the flyers board realizes. I will not apologize for not being a homer like you and taking an objective point of view. Your points are getting old as is your constant felating of every flyer/flters prospect. Blind disreagrd for the truth, comical.
I swear you just seek out Chris to criticize him. Being honest dude.. its getting really old. Stop replying to him. You dont like our prospects, Chris likes our prospect, now who the **** cares.

And on that note, Kimo AND Coburn were a big part of that run. I know its hard to forget after Coburns one good year, but he was actually one of our better defensemen that year.

I do want Mueller....

EDIT: Here was our defense that year:

Timonen
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Hatcher
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Jones
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Now tell me Coburn wasnt one of our better defensemen

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I swear you just seek out Chris to criticize him. Being honest dude.. its getting really old. Stop replying to him. You dont like our prospects, Chris likes our prospect, now who the **** cares.

And on that note, Kimo AND Coburn were a big part of that run. I know its hard to forget after Coburns one good year, but he was actually one of our better defensemen that year.

I do want Mueller....

EDIT: Here was our defense that year:

Timonen
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Hatcher
Modry
Smith
Jones
Kukkonen
Fitzpatrick

Now tell me Coburn wasnt one of our better defensemen
Where did you see me once say coburn didnt play great that playoffs? I never ever said he didnít. What I object to is when someone says he lead the flyers to the efc. That is not correct imo. Yes he was one of the better dman but like you said look who his competition was that year. Doesnít change the fact he played very well. Do you honestly believe he lead the flyers to the ecf?

Not seeking anyone out at all. Just totally disagree with peoples opinion on diff subjects.
I do like some of the prospects just not to the extent that I think everyone is going to make. Flyers fans are becoming worse than pens fans when it comes to prospects in thinking that everyone is a star in the making.

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Where did you see me once say coburn didnt play great that playoffs? I never ever said he didn’t. What I object to is when someone says he lead the flyers to the efc. That is not correct imo. Yes he was one of the better dman but like you said look who his competition was that year. Doesn’t change the fact he played very well. Do you honestly believe he lead the flyers to the ecf?

Not seeking anyone out at all. Just totally disagree with peoples opinion on diff subjects.
I do like some of the prospects just not to the extent that I think everyone is going to make. Flyers fans are becoming worse than pens fans when it comes to prospects in thinking that everyone is a star in the making.
"He was more of a passenger than leader my friend." To me that suggests that he didn't play well. Those are the half-truths I'm talking about. Now that someone else has confirmed what I said, you're switching your argument subtly. Now you're suggesting that he did play well? Coburn was in fact an integral part of that defense.

You do seem to seek certain people out, and you do realize you disagree with just about everyone right? Also, no one ever said that we had stars in our current prospect pool...ever. You make up things and put words in my mouth. It's very disturbing, honestly. Just because I like the way the Flyers prospect pool has a number of players who could compliment the core for the next couple of years, doesn't make my opinion invalid or overly optimistic.

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