On the Brouwer goal, Horcoff chases Kane well into the face off circle and basically has to push Moreau to take up the pressure. Then the puck goes low and Souray never picks up the pressure which leaves the front open and no one having any clue what's going on anymore.
Yeah, Horcoff checked Kane hard, right into Moreau's zone, and Ethan just stood there with his thumb up his butt while Kane skated through. Souray engaged Kane (not successfully, but Kane was his man) meanwhile Brouwer skated into Moreau's area and met the same amount of resistance Kane did, namely none whatsoever. A pass, a shot, and that was that. Moreau was the major culprit on that one. He did absolutely nothing on the entire sequence.
I think O'Sullivan is one of the very few guys on this team the coaches actually can single out as having way more ability than he's shown and just not living up to it.
Is it a Cardinal Sin for the media and coaches to question Horcoff? I see Quinn has called-out Penner-- to a minor extent, probably because the media asked him, but I have yet to hear the coach say something about Horcoff's lack of production etc. Now with the Sully and Storts being scratched and bagged, I don't know what to think anymore.
Is it a Cardinal Sin for the media and coaches to question Horcoff? I see Quinn has called-out Penner-- to a minor extent, probably because the media asked him, but I have yet to hear the coach say something about Horcoff's lack of production etc. Now with the Sully and Storts being scratched and bagged, I don't know what to think anymore.
A pet theory is that one Kevin Lowe would get very very angry if one of his favorite contract overpays ever got benched..
More egg on face type of thing.
I really get the take that Horc, Moreau, are untouchable here.
Any number of which would support my argument that Sully has recently been playing well, is one of the better forwards on the club right now if not the best, and doesn't warrant a benching amongst the many dogs here.
You don't even disagree with that premise.
Of course I don't disagree with that premise, because that's the definition of cherry picking!
Well that's nice, and my response to you is that any coach who would rather have Ethan Moreau in the line-up over POS is incompetent.
How's Moreau's 51 games been so far?
Unless Quinn is trying to throw games, he should maybe start icing the best line-up that he can, and stop mollycoddling and giving preference to the same crap players his predecessor seemed to favor.
Look, I don't like Moreau and he needs to be gone. Don't get me wrong.
But there are a multitude of plausible reasons why POS gets the benching over Moreau, and I've already told you a few that see it in a positive light. You continue to look for the worst case scenario and seem to be upset with Quinn. Go for it. I disagree with you, but I won't stop you.
Of course I don't disagree with that premise, because that's the definition of cherry picking!
This is making me dizzy.
So I guess, using your reasoning, we can also say that Penner is a horrible player, too. Afterall, he's been sucking it up in a big way all month. But, since we're not "cherry picking", it must mean that he's just an awful player.
So I guess, using your reasoning, we can also say that Penner is a horrible player, too. Afterall, he's been sucking it up in a big way all month. But, since we're not "cherry picking", it must mean that he's just an awful player.
Dunno why you're trying to put words in my mouth. And they don't even make sense.
The key point here is to not use arbitrary windows of time to value them, but rather to judge them in the longer term. Season by season is a good way to do it, as it represents the contiguous blocks of time that are the makeup of a player's career.
I wouldn't say Penner is a "horrible" player simply because of one month. In fact, I'd look at his stats so far this season -- 51g 21-22-43 -- and say he's having a good year overall, and maybe he's in a slump right now.
Well that's nice, and my response to you is that any coach who would rather have Ethan Moreau in the line-up over POS is incompetent.
How's Moreau's 51 games been so far?
Unless Quinn is trying to throw games, he should maybe start icing the best line-up that he can, and stop mollycoddling and giving preference to the same crap players his predecessor seemed to favor.
I think O'Sullivan is one of the very few guys on this team the coaches actually can single out as having way more ability than he's shown and just not living up to it.
Who else are they really going to say that about?
+1
The only plausible explanation for me is that Quinn is dedicated to the dive. Slot a few guys that need to get back into the line-up and send a message that he wants more from one of the future puzzle pieces.
No point in sitting Moreau or Horcoff - we're going to have enough trouble moving one of those clowns as it is.
We don't need that Comrie / Patty O'Sullivan duo heating up right now. It runs the chance the rest of the team gets some confidence and starts to compete....
Dunno why you're trying to put words in my mouth. And they don't even make sense.
The key point here is to not use arbitrary windows of time to value them, but rather to judge them in the longer term. Season by season is a good way to do it, as it represents the contiguous blocks of time that are the makeup of a player's career.
I wouldn't say Penner is a "horrible" player simply because of one month. In fact, I'd look at his stats so far this season -- 51g 21-22-43 -- and say he's having a good year overall, and maybe he's in a slump right now.
Do you disagree?
I do disagree. But, only to your post regarding an improvement in O'Sullivan's recent play as being viewed as pejorative "cherry picking". Nobody said he's been the best forward all season...just that he's shown some good improvement in the past month. [Which I believe is why he's the guy sitting in the PB box tonight - now that he's shown he can do it, the coaches want more. And I don't disagree, nor do I have an issue with him being a healthy scratch. Hell, even Patty seems to agree with this concept.]
I do disagree. But, only to your post regarding an improvement in O'Sullivan's recent play as being viewed as pejorative "cherry picking".
For what it's worth, I agree his play has improved. The point is, you can't use a sliding window of the last N games to draw any conclusions worth spit.
For what it's worth, I agree his play has improved. The point is, you can't use a sliding window of the last N games to draw any conclusions worth spit.
Alright already. I get it. I give up. But, just because I'm an Oilers fan and that's what Oilers fans do, not because I want to be agreeable.
