This season has taken a toll on everyone who watches the team with a strong desire to succeed. Right now this is a bad team, so the people who want to win now are upset. Those who want to tank, see the lack of a pick and get upset. What's lost in all of this is that NOBODY is happy with the current situation, there are just different ways to handle it.
It's clear to me this is the lowest point for the board since I've been a member. There's non-stop jabs and people go out of their way to attack the person rather than the concept. There's little patience at the moment for anything, for a full rebuild to take place (which I think is likely if these next two years are horrid) or for Burke's plan to take it's shape. Most of us have gotten caught up in the negativity (I'm guilty) one way or another, but at this point, the board is rather pathetic. Well thought out posts come few and far between, instead of intelligent discussion it's been replaced with bickering, stereotypes and aggressive indifference.
Well said. I'm so tired of partisan bickering. It's reached a point where one cannot post an opinion without inciting a rant from one side or the other. All threads inevitably degenerate into the same idiotic (on both sides) discussion.
You told us we wouldnt put up with a loser, so what did you do? You made us worse! And you gave away the one thing we have been clamoring for for years!
He thought he had a trade in November, he thought the team would do better, he thought Boston would be getting a mid first ronud pick. Well I think Burke is a pretty crappy GM.
I am so sick of Burke's excuses.
I think this sums up how most people seem to feel. The last few seasons a lot of people have been praying the team tanks - asking for players to be traded away in hopes that the team would finish even lower in the standings. Now the one time we get a shot at a top-three pick we don't have our first-rounder.
As bad as this sounds I really hope Hall/Seguin are busts. It would make me feel so much better as a Leafs fan.
Beachemin and Komi can bring a lot to a team. Kubina was a salary dump for Exelby to make room for Koni.
This summer Burke will target some big fish, what he'll get no one knows, but he will at least attempt. I mean what choice does he have? we dont have any 1st round picks for the next 17 years.
I'm guessing we miss out on Marleau and Kovy, but Burke will land Plekanecs. Who IMO could be the best signing (if he signs for 4.5-5)
Imagine Plekanecs with Kessel
Who would you rather have right now?
Kubina and the cap space and asset he can bring at the deadline, or Komi and his over-valued contract?
This season has taken a toll on everyone who watches the team with a strong desire to succeed. Right now this is a bad team, so the people who want to win now are upset. Those who want to tank, see the lack of a pick and get upset. What's lost in all of this is that NOBODY is happy with the current situation, there are just different ways to handle it.
It's clear to me this is the lowest point for the board since I've been a member. There's non-stop jabs and people go out of their way to attack the person rather than the concept. There's little patience at the moment for anything, for a full rebuild to take place (which I think is likely if these next two years are horrid) or for Burke's plan to take it's shape. Most of us have gotten caught up in the negativity (I'm guilty) one way or another, but at this point, the board is rather pathetic. Well thought out posts come few and far between, instead of intelligent discussion it's been replaced with bickering, stereotypes and aggressive indifference.
I'm doing my best to stay positive, believe it or not.
The last time i was this furious with the ownership and GM was back in the Ballard days.
I refuse to type what i don't feel in my mind or heart.
SHRUG, who knows maybe some of you are paid to post here for different reasons or agendas? I get that.
But you have a lot of people that have tucked tail and ran since their heady posts and optimism back in sept/oct. They are either completely gone or just lurking.
Then you have those that still need to vent. But hey, there still here typing atleast.
I dare say things could get awful quiet around here if it was only the optimists chiming in.
I'm doing my best to stay positive, believe it or not.
The last time i was this furious with the ownership and GM was back in the Ballard days.
I refuse to type what i don't feel in my mind or heart.
SHRUG, who knows maybe some of you are paid to post here for different reasons or agendas? I get that.
But you have a lot of people that have tucked tail and ran since their heady posts and optimism back in sept/oct. They are either completely gone or just lurking.
Then you have those that still need to vent. But hey, there still here typing atleast.
I dare say things could get awful quiet around here if it was only the optimists chiming in.
The optimists have stopped posting because they get trampled by the negative side for having optimistic thoughts. "Good lord, someone still likes the leafs." Most threads turn sour. I'm an optimist and was in Sept/Oct, and well, the season didn't work out. The goaltending was expected to be so much better.
I think I just have fun calling people out for being disrespectful, rather than angry at not being respected for my opinion.
This season has taken a toll on everyone who watches the team with a strong desire to succeed. Right now this is a bad team, so the people who want to win now are upset. Those who want to tank, see the lack of a pick and get upset. What's lost in all of this is that NOBODY is happy with the current situation, there are just different ways to handle it.
It's clear to me this is the lowest point for the board since I've been a member. There's non-stop jabs and people go out of their way to attack the person rather than the concept. There's little patience at the moment for anything, for a full rebuild to take place (which I think is likely if these next two years are horrid) or for Burke's plan to take it's shape. Most of us have gotten caught up in the negativity (I'm guilty) one way or another, but at this point, the board is rather pathetic. Well thought out posts come few and far between, instead of intelligent discussion it's been replaced with bickering, stereotypes and aggressive indifference.
Look , i would have been half as pissed as i am right now if i had never seen that ESPN interview with BB.
My major frustration is with ownership and their unwillingness to change.
I actually had half a glimmer of hope that they finally saw the light and that ALL options had been opened to BB.
Frankly, I'm also very pissed at myself for allowing that half glimmer of hope.
well you shouldnt trade two 1sts and a 2nd if you dont have someone to play with him. The 5-6 million dollar centres that are worthy of playing with kessel dont exactly fall of trees... usually you have to draft those players... thats tough to do without 1st rounders
Exactly, which is why I didn't understand the need for Kessel. Maybe in a few years but not this season and not for the price of the Leafs future.
[QUOTE=EazyB97;23471128]This season has taken a toll on everyone who watches the team with a strong desire to succeed. Right now this is a bad team, so the people who want to win now are upset. Those who want to tank, see the lack of a pick and get upset. What's lost in all of this is that NOBODY is happy with the current situation, there are just different ways to handle it.
It's clear to me this is the lowest point for the board since I've been a member. There's non-stop jabs and people go out of their way to attack the person rather than the concept. There's little patience at the moment for anything, for a full rebuild to take place (which I think is likely if these next two years are horrid) or for Burke's plan to take it's shape. Most of us have gotten caught up in the negativity (I'm guilty) one way or another, but at this point, the board is rather pathetic. Well thought out posts come few and far between, instead of intelligent discussion it's been replaced with bickering, stereotypes and aggressive indifference.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunate but true. Maybe a segregation is required.
The optimists have stopped posting because they get trampled by the negative side for having optimistic thoughts. "Good lord, someone still likes the leafs." Most threads turn sour. I'm an optimist and was in Sept/Oct, and well, the season didn't work out. The goaltending was expected to be so much better.
I think I just have fun calling people out for being disrespectful, rather than angry at not being respected for my opinion.
Brother that is a two way street and you know it.
I went back and checked the posts back in sept/oct and the funny thing is. The positive posters were no saints back then either.
The naysayers got their collective teeth kicked in back then.
well you shouldnt trade two 1sts and a 2nd if you dont have someone to play with him. The 5-6 million dollar centres that are worthy of playing with kessel dont exactly fall of trees... usually you have to draft those players... thats tough to do without 1st rounders
I remeber the constant whining about the Leafs not having a first line calibre player. The Leafs finally get one and the moaning about not having a second first line player to play with the newly aquired one has begun. I suppose these things happen automatically.
None of what I've posted is "based" on anything but my opinion. I'm basing it on the highly scientific "gut feeling" that Finger will get bought out. A 7th d-man making 4th d-man money is a no no and I think Burke will buy him out, or re-enter him, to give him a chance to play in the NHL. He won't bury him.
And hey, if we only disagree about 1 player in 23, do we really disagree?
Disagree on that list you posted? Nope what you put up there is inline with what I'm thinking here.
Other then Finger and that came down to semantics.
I apoligize for my grevious spelling mistake. My work computer doesnt have a very up to date web browser.
I would love to hear how I was using 'big words' out of context though.
What does your browser have to do with continually misspelling "apologist"?
Using the epithet "apologist" in this context is an attempt to give the user and this discussion an air of import far out of proportion with reality. It's a trumped up chat room. Get some perspective. Never mind that it's a rather tired tactic for negatively branding one's perceived opponents, rather than confront their opinions. It functions as an insult, rather than as an argument. It's a tired and crappy thing to do in real debates that actually matter. Here, it's absurd.
I think some fans are just arguing out loud with their own unspoken thoughts right now. I see that ULF has stopped fighting it. Welcome back to the dark side ULF. Don't let the Sunshine Police stop you! Courage, you're next. The sarcasm, the mockery, all signs that the voice inside your head knows We're right. Come join us in Negativity Hell, it's bliss!
The fact is, the team’s not winning and I haven’t made any changes. I understand, this is the GM’s problem. I accept that. You want to blame somebody, blame me.
