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01-28-2010, 01:52 PM
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Our U-24 Prospects NHL Stats

Matt D'Agostini- 89-14-11-25 -28 44 pims
Max Pacioretty- 86-6-19-25 -8 47 pims
Greg Stewart- 26-0-1-1 -7 48 pims
Tom Pyatt- 19-0-0-0 -9 6 pims
Ryan White- 14-0-2-2 -5 11 pims
Ben Maxwell- 9-0-0-0 -3 2 pims
Yannick Weber- 6-0-1-1 -5 2 pims
Mathieu Carle- 3-0-0-0 +1 4 pims
J T Wyman- 3-0-0-0 -2
David Desharnais- 1-0-0-0 -1


Total- 256- 20-34-54 -67 164 pims

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-67?? good lord that is god aweful

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14 of the 20 (!) goals scored by Matt D'Agostini

FML this is terrible

EDIT : Were Pouliot, the Kostitsyns and Lapierre not included because they are not prospects? I'm starting to think this is a bit skewed. of course stats are bad if we exclude guys who haven't cut it yet to be NHLers. I don't see why Sergei isn't there for instance, he even had time in Hamilton this year.

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Thats a strong crop of young players right there.







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But seriously, I sent the Montreal Canadiens organization my CV, with the attached picture to show I had atleast Gregory Stewarts' build, told them I had all the qualities to make a great power forward-

Never got a call back. Never understood why.


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You neglected to include our good prospects.

Pouliot is 23. Sergei Kostitsyn is 22. Andrei Kostitsyn is 24 (for a couple more days). Max Lapierre is 24.

If you want to illustrate our development of players, you have to include everyone. If you cut everyone's prospects who have "made it," every team's lineup of under 24 players is going to look equally bad.

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01-28-2010, 01:59 PM
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well, there's a reason only 1 of them is in the NHL now, and who knows for how long. None of those guys have high ceilings at all, so, it's really not surprising. I think some people think some 'reconditioning' in the ahl will 'magically fix' some players. Aside from MaxPac maybe maybe maxwell, I can't see those guys having fulltime nhl jobs. Carle/Weber will get chances again, and eventually be sent back down after making mistakes because they aren't good defensively.

D'ags/Maxpac will also be given another shot, then be sent down or whatever, because they won't perform. But seriously, out of all those players, I can't see a gem in any. I hope most of us would be happy to trade ANY of those guys for draft picks or new prospects.

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lol beaker, your posts have gotten some chuckles from me today. could just be because who can not laugh when you look at beaker.

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-67?? good lord that is god aweful
D'Ago -28
Pyatt -9
Pac -8
Stewart -7
White -5
Weber -5
Maxwell -3
Wyman -2
Desharnais -1

Carle +1

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You neglected to include our good prospects.

Pouliot is 23. Sergei Kostitsyn is 22. Andrei Kostitsyn is 24 (for a couple more days). Max Lapierre is 24.

If you want to illustrate our development of players, you have to include everyone. If you cut everyone's prospects who have "made it," every team's lineup of under 24 players is going to look equally bad.
U means under 24. And A Kosty/Lappy are long removed from the AHL. It's not about who's made it, it's a reflection of our depth, these are our future players. I'm not talking about kids on the team now (well Maxwell aside but I don't see him sticking)

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Thats a strong crop of young players right there.







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But seriously, I sent the Montreal Canadiens organization my CV, with the attached picture to show I had atleast Gregory Stewarts' build, told them I had all the qualities to make a great power forward-

Never got a call back. Never understood why.

Add an accent on the E in your name, they might give you a shot on the 3rd line...

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I'm still sticking with my hypothesis that its the coaches in the NHL that are not getting the job done with these players. How else can you explain that most of the guys you just mentioned all progressed up until the point they played in the NHL? Look at D'agostini for example. He scores 14 goals in 20 games for Hamilton last year then gets called up. His first 10 games he looks great. After that it all starts to go downhill and he completely loses his confidence. Did he suddenly become a bad player? I don't think so. I think the coaches didn't know how to use him properly. After reading about Guy Boucher coaching style, its clear to me how he gets the best out of his players. He treats each player differently; treats them like individual patients almost. By doing this, he ends up really knowing each player (weaknesses, strengths) and is able to really milk them for all their worth. With so many young players on the Habs, you need this kind of coach. Imagine how Boucher could help a guy like Price...

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as an experiment, i'd love to watch a few games that are self-coached. players planning their own plays between whistles, their own lines between periods ect..

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14 of the 20 goals by D'Agostini

-28 of the -67 by D'Agostini


So.... it's a wash? LOL

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as an experiment, i'd love to watch a few games that are self-coached. players planning their own plays between whistles, their own lines between periods ect..
I would like that to have happened in a few jobs I had in the past

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Matt D'Agostini- 89-14-11-25 -28 44 pims
Max Pacioretty- 86-6-19-25 -8 47 pims
Greg Stewart- 26-0-1-1 -7 48 pims
Tom Pyatt- 19-0-0-0 -9 6 pims
Ryan White- 14-0-2-2 -5 11 pims
Ben Maxwell- 9-0-0-0 -3 2 pims
Yannick Weber- 6-0-1-1 -5 2 pims
Mathieu Carle- 3-0-0-0 +1 4 pims
J T Wyman- 3-0-0-0 -2
David Desharnais- 1-0-0-0 -1


Total- 256- 20-34-54 -67 164 pims

seeing that we didn't have any offensive prospect who did good once in NHL
Lever & Wilson are clearly FAILURES
Jarvis did a good job with Plekanec, Komisarek, Higgins and Julien with Ryder, Markov etc.
However, Lever really wasted the above list.

Now it's up to Doc. Boucher to try to turn them around. GO BOUCHER GO!!!

Claude Julien 200003
Geoff Ward 2003
Doug Jarvis 200305
Don Lever 2005-2009

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seeing that we didn't have any offensive prospect who did good once in NHL
Lever & Wilson are clearly FAILURES
Jarvis did a good job with Plekanec, Komisarek, Higgins and Julien with Ryder, Markov etc.
However, Lever really wasted the above list.

Now it's up to Doc. Boucher to try to turn them around. GO BOUCHER GO!!!

Claude Julien 200003
Geoff Ward 2003
Doug Jarvis 200305
Don Lever 2005-2009
Jarvis helped with A Kosty as well. I know that in his first year he was just brutal in his own end, and the next season he started to see time on the PK. I recall hearing that Jarvis was working closely with him to get his defensive game in order.

But yea hopefully Boucher can get these guys going cause it does make you wonder why every single callup sans Carle is a minus player over the last 2 years.

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U means under 24. And A Kosty/Lappy are long removed from the AHL. It's not about who's made it, it's a reflection of our depth, these are our future players. I'm not talking about kids on the team now (well Maxwell aside but I don't see him sticking)
Right, but the sample is still skewed. By selecting the way you do, it basically makes it look like all our young guys are busts. Sure, if you're under 24 and not in the NHL you're a "future" player, but theoretically, if you're under 24 and in the NHL you're just as much, if not more, a part of that same future.

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Right, but the sample is still skewed. By selecting the way you do, it basically makes it look like all our young guys are busts. Sure, if you're under 24 and not in the NHL you're a "future" player, but theoretically, if you're under 24 and in the NHL you're just as much, if not more, a part of that same future.
Well the average for drafted prospects is to hit the AHL at 20 so if you spend 2-3 years in the AHL, which is also the average, your going to be around 22-23. So I posted the stats of our guys in the AHL, not looking to skew anything, as I never said anything about the stats. They are nothing but stats of our guys in the AHL that have appeared in the NHL. I could have added BP but didn't think of it since I considered him a full time NHLer (he only played in Hamilton this year for conditioning)

If you take out Wyman from the list, every one of those players are going to be fighting for roster spots with us next year, since we are going to need a couple guys to step up next year so that we can have some cheap contracts.

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Thats a strong crop of young players right there.







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But seriously, I sent the Montreal Canadiens organization my CV, with the attached picture to show I had atleast Gregory Stewarts' build, told them I had all the qualities to make a great power forward-

Never got a call back. Never understood why.
I luled a lot. wow that picture....

I agree with the other poster, add an accent to your e and you're good to go!

As for the player stats...wow...I mean not that great BRO.

As for myself...I must go its time to party:



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Sergei Kostitsyn ('05) - 132-19-37-56 +4 117 pims
Matt D'Agostini ('05)- 89-14-11-25 -28 44 pims
Max Pacioretty ('05)- 86-6-19-25 -8 47 pims
Benoit Pouliot('05) - 84-20-12-32 +3 47 pims

Greg Stewart-('04) 26-0-1-1 -7 48 pims
Tom Pyatt- ('05) 19-0-0-0 -9 6 pims
Ryan White-('06) 14-0-2-2 -5 11 pims
Ben Maxwell-('06) 11-0-0-0 -2 2 pims
Yannick Weber-('07) 8-0-1-1 -6 6 pims
Mathieu Carle-('06) 3-0-0-0 +1 4 pims
J T Wyman-('04) 3-0-0-0 -2
David Desharnais ('04 draft eglible, signed '08)- 1-0-0-0 -1


I wanted to update this with Maxwell's first NHL point but when I went to NHL.com they seem to have taken away his assist from last night. I added BP and SK to the list since some got upset.

From Stewart down we got only 4 points from 8 players in 85 games and they are a combined -31


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to be fair, our team isn't exactly full of people north of 0 on the +/- scale.

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to be fair, our team isn't exactly full of people north of 0 on the +/- scale.
to be expected since we stink 5 on 5, but still cause for alarm when almost every single call up is a minus player

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to be expected since we stink 5 on 5, but still cause for alarm when almost every single call up is a minus player
Even Corey Locke was a -1 in his only NHL game with the Habs..

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Sergei Kostitsyn ('05) - 135-19-38-57 +6 117 pims
Matt D'Agostini ('05)- 91-14-11-25 -28 44 pims
Max Pacioretty ('05)- 86-6-19-25 -8 47 pims
Benoit Pouliot ('05) - 85-20-12-32 +3 47 pims

Greg Stewart-('04) 26-0-1-1 -7 48 pims
Tom Pyatt- ('05) 19-0-0-0 -9 6 pims
Ryan White-('06) 16-0-2-2 -6 16 pims
Ben Maxwell-('06) 14-0-0-0 -2 4 pims
Yannick Weber-('07) 8-0-1-1 -6 6 pims
Mathieu Carle-('06) 3-0-0-0 +1 4 pims
J T Wyman-('04) 3-0-0-0 -2
David Desharnais ('04 draft eligible, signed '08)- 3-0-0-0 -1
Brock Trotter- ('06 draft eligible, signed '08) 2-0-0-0 -1

Updated for Trotter to be added to the list. If you take out Kosty/D'Ago/Pac/BP, it's downright ugly.

9 players, 4 pts in 94 games 0 goals and a whopping -33

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