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03-09-2010, 12:37 PM
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Does anyone else take a step back and think how funny it must seem to people that don't follow sports to hear about people having rallies to get a general manager fired with everything that goes on in today's world?

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03-09-2010, 12:49 PM
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Does anyone else take a step back and think how funny it must seem to people that don't follow sports to hear about people having rallies to get a general manager fired with everything that goes on in today's world?
About as funny as I find it when people have rallies for political/social purposes? In today's world, those are just as unlikely to make a difference as sports-related rallies, IMO.

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how do you know Dolan doesnt want to win?
Glen Sather still has a job.

I think Dolan wants to win, i just dont think he demands excellence. i get the sense that winning to Dolan is getting lucky, not working for it.

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About as funny as I find it when people have rallies for political/social purposes? In today's world, those are just as unlikely to make a difference as sports-related rallies, IMO.
Yeah Sting...but a rally to fight say, world hunger or AIDS is a lot more relevant and socially important than a rally to fire the GM of a hockey team.

Like it or not, we are still talking about entertainment here. I love the Rangers and the team is a HUGE part of who I am, but my life isn't going to stop because the Rangers don't win the Stanley Cup. If someone I know or love was going hungry or was sick that would be a lot more important to be than winning at A GAME.

I'm sure you would be the same way, but I really hope you see how shortsighted this comment by you was. They are rallying about a legit world issue. The Fire Sather rally was about changing a hockey GM. It's no wonder the rest of the world hates America. We actually have the time on our hands to hold a rally to try to fire a hockey gm.

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Glen Sather still has a job.

I think Dolan wants to win, i just dont think he demands excellence. i get the sense that winning to Dolan is getting lucky, not working for it.
You may not like Sather but saying the owner doesnt want to win is silly. Every player that comes here raves about the way the org treats its players...first class all the way... sound like an owner that doesnt care?

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You may not like Sather but saying the owner doesnt want to win is silly. Every player that comes here raves about the way the org treats its players...first class all the way... sound like an owner that doesnt care?
I think the owner wants to make a money. If he can do that without winning, so be it.

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You may not like Sather but saying the owner doesnt want to win is silly. Every player that comes here raves about the way the org treats its players...first class all the way... sound like an owner that doesnt care?
What does that have to do with winning?

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Yeah Sting...but a rally to fight say, world hunger or AIDS is a lot more relevant and socially important than a rally to fire the GM of a hockey team.

Like it or not, we are still talking about entertainment here. I love the Rangers and the team is a HUGE part of who I am, but my life isn't going to stop because the Rangers don't win the Stanley Cup. If someone I know or love was going hungry or was sick that would be a lot more important to be than winning at A GAME.


I'm sure you would be the same way, but I really hope you see how shortsighted this comment by you was. They are rallying about a legit world issue. The Fire Sather rally was about changing a hockey GM. It's no wonder the rest of the world hates America. We actually have the time on our hands to hold a rally to try to fire a hockey gm.
Absolutely right. I've been suffering for most of the last 30+ years with this team. I watch every game, go when I can to the Garden...I love hockey, love NYR and itch for that cup again, but ultimately, this is entertainment. There are things more important. Especially nowadays.

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Does anyone else take a step back and think how funny it must seem to people that don't follow sports to hear about people having rallies to get a general manager fired with everything that goes on in today's world?
why are you posting here? there's a lot going on in the world that you could be helping with, no?

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Does anyone else take a step back and think how funny it must seem to people that don't follow sports to hear about people having rallies to get a general manager fired with everything that goes on in today's world?
Yep, this hockey stuff is fun but its a time waster unless you're career is somehow associated with it. I don't take the losses that bad, we're not exactly the shining beacon of NHL success to begin with. Protesting shows passion in our scenario, and I like that we have some diehard nutcases, but it wont solve much as far as Dolan is concerned.

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About as funny as I find it when people have rallies for political/social purposes? In today's world, those are just as unlikely to make a difference as sports-related rallies, IMO.
I think alot of social change has happend because people protested, its no waste of time when the cause is just and people have had enough of the abuse of power.

I get it, you don't like protesters, theyre left wing hippie communist drug using pornographers. God love em

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Yep, this hockey stuff is fun but its a time waster unless you're career is somehow associated with it. I don't take the losses that bad, we're not exactly the shining beacon of NHL success to begin with. Protesting shows passion in our scenario, and I like that we have some diehard nutcases, but it wont solve much as far as Dolan is concerned.



I think alot of social change has happend because people protested, its no waste of time when the cause is just and people have had enough of the abuse of power.

I get it, you don't like protesters, theyre left wing hippie communist drug using pornographers. God love em
I like protests. I just don't think that TODAY, protests mean anything. Especially when most protesters don't even know what they're really protesting.

Protests during the 60s and 70s...I have more respect for that. I didn't mean that it's wrong to protest, I just don't think protesting does anything anymore. I remember doing a term project for school on protesting. I went to a Greenpeace rally and to one of those huge Iraq War protests in Manhattan. I don't think I've ever met so many uninformed, uneducated people in my life.

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I like protests. I just don't think that TODAY, protests mean anything. Especially when most protesters don't even know what they're really protesting.

Protests during the 60s and 70s...I have more respect for that. I didn't mean that it's wrong to protest, I just don't think protesting does anything anymore. I remember doing a term project for school on protesting. I went to a Greenpeace rally and to one of those huge Iraq War protests in Manhattan. I don't think I've ever met so many uninformed, uneducated people in my life.
I think it depends on the issue. The immediacy of the past problems made those seem more relevant. Today's issues are also very important, but not immediate.

Save the whales? Meh, I got a writing assignment due, can't make it.

The government gonna re institute the draft? **** my assignment, i'm headed for the protest right now !

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I think it depends on the issue. The immediacy of the past problems made those seem more relevant. Today's issues are also very important, but not immediate.

Save the whales? Meh, I got a writing assignment due, can't make it.

The government gonna re institute the draft? **** my assignment, i'm headed for the protest right now !
Well, when that happens, I'll be right behind you.

I actually think some things today are immediate, too. Education, for example. The public just doesn't understand the issues enough, and thus, they aren't angry enough, either.

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Does anyone else take a step back and think how funny it must seem to people that don't follow sports to hear about people having rallies to get a general manager fired with everything that goes on in today's world?
Yeah, it's funny the way it is, if you think about it. One kid walks 10 miles to school, another is dropping out. It's funny the way it is, not right or wrong but on a soldierís last breath his babyís being born.

Sometimes I find myself standing on a bridge, watching the water passing under me and I think, it mustíve been much harder when there was no bridge just water but now the world is small, but I still think of how it used to be with mountains and oceans and winters and rivers and stars.


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Well, when that happens, I'll be right behind you.

I actually think some things today are immediate, too. Education, for example. The public just doesn't understand the issues enough, and thus, they aren't angry enough, either.
People are too busy twittering their latest beer fart to really pay attention. This is why a distracted/pacified public is dangerous.

Can't go any further, anymore and we're talking politics which is always OT here

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Yeah Sting...but a rally to fight say, world hunger or AIDS is a lot more relevant and socially important than a rally to fire the GM of a hockey team.

Like it or not, we are still talking about entertainment here. I love the Rangers and the team is a HUGE part of who I am, but my life isn't going to stop because the Rangers don't win the Stanley Cup. If someone I know or love was going hungry or was sick that would be a lot more important to be than winning at A GAME.

I'm sure you would be the same way, but I really hope you see how shortsighted this comment by you was. They are rallying about a legit world issue. The Fire Sather rally was about changing a hockey GM. It's no wonder the rest of the world hates America. We actually have the time on our hands to hold a rally to try to fire a hockey gm.
That's nonsense. Sports-related rallies/protests happen everywhere. It's not something unique to America. Does the rest of the world hate Latin America, Europe and Africa for rioting after football matches?

I agree with you in that it's silly to compare political/social protests to a rally over firing a hockey GM, but to make it sound like Americans are the only ones who do this and we're somehow frowned upon by the global community (for this) is just ridiculous.

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It's no wonder the rest of the world hates America. We actually have the time on our hands to hold a rally to try to fire a hockey gm.
like the other poster, then why do you have time to post here? you could be helping a much better cause right now.

this isnt me saying "go away" btw, its saying we can apply that logic to EVERYTHING

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You may not like Sather but saying the owner doesnt want to win is silly. Every player that comes here raves about the way the org treats its players...first class all the way... sound like an owner that doesnt care?
Meh. I think an owner who worries about the nice things the players say is interested in that first rather than winning first.

Tell me, do you think Lou Lamoriello - a partial owner in the Devils - worries about what the players say concerning the organization's treatment of them?

Now tell me how many Cups the Devils have won since Lou was GM as opposed to the Dolans as Ranger owners.

Would James Dolan LIKE to win a Cup? Sure. Who wouldn't? Why not?

Is winning a Cup his highest priority? I couldn't say, and that's the problem. I firmly believe winning championships is the highest priority of the Devils organization, and I think their record demonstrates that.

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Does anyone else take a step back and think how funny it must seem to people that don't follow sports to hear about people having rallies to get a general manager fired with everything that goes on in today's world?
Of course those people think its funny. Probably as funny as many of us find the ridiculous things they waste their time on: Civil War re-enacting, motorcycle rallies, protesting the loss of funding for some art museum, obsessing over the red carpet at the Oscars, whatever.

EVERYTHING looks absurd when compared to starving five-year-olds in Africa, limbless old women in Haiti, and dead American troops in Afghanistan.

What's your point?

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It was more of a sarcastic comment...I forgot to the put the after it.

But there is a thread of truth to it. The terrorists that want to blow us up PARTLY feel that way because they think Americans are decedent and spoiled. I just think stuff like this (the rally, getting upset and fighting over a sports team, hell, even this message board), and the way people react to them, do tend to broadcast the idea that we are spoiled.

But you are right...almost every country has things like this. You can apply that logic to a lot of stuff.

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You have to think they will inded Fire Sather if they don't make the playoffs. .................and it really looks like they wont make it

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You have to think they will inded Fire Sather if they don't make the playoffs. .................and it really looks like they wont make it
God I don't know...if they didn't fire him after the seven straight seasons of missing the playoffs I don't know if they ever will.

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