They'll probably just fire the coach again. Hell they've fired 5 already under his tenure. ****ing idiots.
Wouldn't be the worst thing ever. I'm really starting to wonder about Torts. Hank looks freaking miserable and I have to wonder if playing for Torts is starting to get to him.
Wouldn't be the worst thing ever. I'm really starting to wonder about Torts. Hank looks freaking miserable and I have to wonder if playing for Torts is starting to get to him.
I was a big fan of Torts and still am to an extent but this doesn't look like a good situation. If he does get fired though, Sather needs to go with him. Let the new G.M. pick the coach and go from there.
I was a big fan of Torts and still am to an extent but this doesn't look like a good situation. If he does get fired though, Sather needs to go with him. Let the new G.M. pick the coach and go from there.
Yeah for sure. I'm just so worried that its going to be Torts that makes Hank finally lose it and demand a trade.
Last year TB got Vrbata off the books by allowing him to go to Russia. Can the Rangers not do the same with Redden?. At this point Sather will get fired cause of the 6.5 million for a 5th Dman. Just imagine if the money was used on a top end scorer
Book it now, when the season is over we wont hear a peep from Sather. he will show up at the draft like nothing happened this year. Amazing that he has a lifetime contract.
Book it now, when the season is over we wont hear a peep from Sather. he will show up at the draft like nothing happened this year. Amazing that he has a lifetime contract.
He's probably at Dairy Queen right now getting that vanilla twist, just like how his team is.
Book it now, when the season is over we wont hear a peep from Sather. he will show up at the draft like nothing happened this year. Amazing that he has a lifetime contract.
what is really amazing is that sather did nothing at the deadline. i am glad in retrospect that he didn't become a buyer, but the fact that he didn't sell either just further shows he has no clue what is going on with this team. they won't make the playoffs and he could have at least gotten one first to second round pick for prospal and he could have dealt girardi, rozy, or maybe even jokinen for some picks allowing us to move up further in the draft by offering a high pick and some other picks
Do you really have that poor an opinion of Henrik as a person?
What the hell brought that up. I really am simply in awe of you for taking it in that direction.
Have you ever worked for a ****** boss? A terrible boss who does nothing but yell at you can make even the most dedicated employee want out....
God...I can't believe you took it there. I don't even know Hank. I've met him once. He seemed like a decent guy. But I don't get how do you even get the idea that I have a poor idea of him as a person.
I don't care what the mods say here...I have to say it...you sir...are a complete and utter jackass.
Mr. GenericNYRUserName, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I think we need a shockwave through our organization, and that's when Henrik asks to be traded himself, or Henrik should simply straight up yell and let out all his frustration and say something publicly about how we need a vastly improved team.
G doesn't like criticism of the Rangers. You did what he didn't like, so he threw out a red herring to shift the topic away from Hank and Torts and onto you.
What the hell brought that up. I really am simply in awe of you for taking it in that direction.
Have you ever worked for a ****** boss? A terrible boss who does nothing but yell at you can make even the most dedicated employee want out....
God...I can't believe you took it there. I don't even know Hank. I've met him once. He seemed like a decent guy. But I don't get how do you even get the idea that I have a poor idea of him as a person.
I don't care what the mods say here...I have to say it...you sir...are a complete and utter jackass.
Mr. GenericNYRUserName, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I appreciate the Billy Madison reference, but it doesn't really fit since I only had one sentence. Oh and if it means anything I'm cool with the mods leaving up your response.
Anyway, the point I was making is that most good players on NHL teams don't demand trades when things don't go as planned. And most professional athletes don't cry that the coach didn't coddle them or their teammates.
You think torts is yelling at henrik? that's probably wrong, but if and when it does happen I'm sure henrik gets that they both have the same goal, to win.
My question was to point out how ridiculous your original "point" was. He's going to demand a trade because Torts was mean to him or to the team as a whole. Please, he's not demanding in the foreseeable future. Save us the hysteria.
G doesn't like criticism of the Rangers. You did what he didn't like, so he threw out a red herring to shift the topic away from Hank and Torts and onto you.
This actually bothered me more than that other guy's name calling and all the rest. I know we frequently disagree but I think I've earned being viewed as someone who argues for my position with some degree of fairness to the points being made.
I'll reiterate that the purpose of the first question was to point out how absurd the other poster's "point" was. You think one of the highest paid goalies in the league is going to demand a trade because of his coach that routinely tells the media he's the best goalie in the league? It doesn't really follow...
I appreciate the Billy Madison reference, but it doesn't really fit since I only had one sentence. Oh and if it means anything I'm cool with the mods leaving up your response.
At least you can appreciate good humor.
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Anyway, the point I was making is that most good players on NHL teams don't demand trades when things don't go as planned. And most professional athletes don't cry that the coach didn't coddle them or their teammates.
I have this feeling with Torts that it goes beyond not being coddled. I get the feeling Torts might step over the line more than every now and again.
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You think torts is yelling at henrik? that's probably wrong, but if and when it does happen I'm sure henrik gets that they both have the same goal, to win.
You are damn right I think Torts is yelling at Hank. I think Torts is yelling at everyone.
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My question was to point out how ridiculous your original "point" was. He's going to demand a trade because Torts was mean to him or to the team as a whole. Please, he's not demanding in the foreseeable future. Save us the hysteria.
Patrick Roy demanded a trade from Montreal. Dany Heatley demanded a trade. Guys demand trades all the time. Don't be shocked if Hank does the same thing. He looks totally miserable. I have NEVER seen Hank look the way he has lately.
I have this feeling with Torts that it goes beyond not being coddled. I get the feeling Torts might step over the line more than every now and again.
You are damn right I think Torts is yelling at Hank. I think Torts is yelling at everyone.
Patrick Roy demanded a trade from Montreal. Dany Heatley demanded a trade. Guys demand trades all the time. Don't be shocked if Hank does the same thing. He looks totally miserable. I have NEVER seen Hank look the way he has lately.
If you want to debate if he's too harsh in general I understand that, but his criticisms are typically fair. Henrik has been so good that I don't see what he would say to him. Also based on torts history with goalies I think he's loving having henrik there and as a guy who doesn't hide how he feels I'm sure henrik knows that.
I do agree with you on one point. For much of this season Hank has seemed more upset than I've ever seen him. But I don't think your conclusion follows. He signed a long-term deal. I think he probably appreciates Torts drive to win, because it's so visible and both are such competitors, unlike some other guys in the locker room
If you want to debate if he's too harsh in general I understand that, but his criticisms are typically fair. Henrik has been so good that I don't see what he would say to him. Also based on torts history with goalies I think he's loving having henrik there and as a guy who doesn't hide how he feels I'm sure henrik knows that.
I do agree with you on one point. For much of this season Hank has seemed more upset than I've ever seen him. But I don't think your conclusion follows. He signed a long-term deal. I think he probably appreciates Torts drive to win, because it's so visible and both are such competitors, unlike some other guys in the locker room
I agree with you there. Him asking for a trade is just a worry I have because we've seen what it did to the Habs. They are still searching for a goalie all these years later.
I don't want to go through all this rebuilding and get great on both O and D only to have it not work because we had to trade our world class goalie years before.
This actually bothered me more than that other guy's name calling and all the rest.
I feel your pain. Employing logical fallacies as a rhetorical strategy bothers me, and they're tossed about here on damn near every thread.
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I think I've earned being viewed as someone who argues for my position with some degree of fairness to the points being made.
Perhaps. Not this time though. Your "rebuttal" wasn't directed to dtrap's point. It was directed to him.
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You think one of the highest paid goalies in the league is going to demand a trade because of his coach that routinely tells the media he's the best goalie in the league? It doesn't really follow...
I think that's an oversimplification of whatever relationship Hank and Tortorella might share and of Hank's relationship to the team in general. I heartily doubt that Hank's satisfaction as a Ranger is influenced much by Tortorella's speeches to the media.
But at least the practical subject here is Hank, rather than dtrap.
This actually bothered me more than that other guy's name calling and all the rest. I know we frequently disagree but I think I've earned being viewed as someone who argues for my position with some degree of fairness to the points being made.
I'll reiterate that the purpose of the first question was to point out how absurd the other poster's "point" was. You think one of the highest paid goalies in the league is going to demand a trade because of his coach that routinely tells the media he's the best goalie in the league? It doesn't really follow...
The other guy explained it...but I still don't understand why your first action was to challenge my thought of Hank as a person. I really don't understand where that came from. If you had asked why I thought that and I had replied by saying Hank is an ******* then I could understand the question.
But my point was that I am afraid that our coach being a complete jerk will finally get Hank to the point where he is fed up and wants out. I don't get how that has anything to do with how I think of him as a person? I don't even understand how that has anything to do with the type of person he is. I work in college athletics and I have seen fellow employees (both good and bad people) get fed up with a bad boss and want out.
The other guy explained it...but I still don't understand why your first action was to challenge my thought of Hank as a person. I really don't understand where that came from. If you had asked why I thought that and I had replied by saying Hank is an ******* then I could understand the question.
But my point was that I am afraid that our coach being a complete jerk will finally get Hank to the point where he is fed up and wants out. I don't get how that has anything to do with how I think of him as a person? I don't even understand how that has anything to do with the type of person he is. I work in college athletics and I have seen fellow employees (both good and bad people) get fed up with a bad boss and want out.
Only real jerks make a demand like that when they're getting paid top dollar to play a sport. To have the gall to demand a trade necessitates having a massive ego.
Lundqvist has always come across as a real humble guy, he was drafted in the 7th round so that would make sense.
There's also no reason to think Hank has a problem with Torts. As I said before it's more likely to be a lovefest between the two. Torts finally has not just an adequate goaltender (which he would have taken for about the second half of his tenure with the lightning) but an elite one and Hank has a guy in torts who seems to take losing as hard as he does, harder than most of the guys on the team.
Torts isn't an ass just to be an ass. There's a method to it, and running his franchise goalie out of town makes no sense at all.
So in summary, Henrik probably isn't a bad enough guy to demand a trade and Torts probably isn't beating up on Henrik in the first place, but even if he did occasionally he would make sure Henrik never reached the point where he wanted out. Torts doesn't want to go back to living by the 25% rule.
G doesn't like criticism of the Rangers. You did what he didn't like, so he threw out a red herring to shift the topic away from Hank and Torts and onto you.
And look what happened. The topic has been succesfully shifted away from firing/not firing Sather, and over to the relationship between Lundqvist and Tortorella.
Genius, but I have to say...Back to topic of the thread please!
If Patrick Roy can do it to the Habs Lundqvist could do it to the Rangers.
On December 2, 1995, Roy was in net against the Detroit Red Wings during Montreal's worst home game in franchise history, an 11-1 loss. Roy allowed nine goals on 26 shots, and the crowd jeered him whenever he made an easy save. In response, Roy raised his arms in mock celebration. When coach Mario Tremblay finally pulled Roy in the middle of the second period, Roy stormed past him and told team president Ronald Corey "It's my last game in Montreal."
Yeah, not going to happen to Hank. Has he ever been booed in the Garden? And even if that did happen Torts defends his players. Even the guys he's criticized before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARhVC8uEbQU
Plus the personalities of Lundqvist and Roy aren't very similar. Henrik is much more controlled and reserved.
