Dubi doesn't strike me as much of a leader. He's kind of arrogant. He's a welcome personality in a lockerroom but doesn't really come off as someone who will end up more with an A by default somewhere. Callahan is more suited as a future captain.
Although He did wear the C for The Winterhawks. As did Callahan with the Guelph Storm.
I understand your point, but, 12 pts is 12 pts and -- look at whats at stake.
Its either Wade Redden's career or this org's coming 4-5 years.
People can argue all they want about how we suck at signing players et c. No matter what you just can't waste 6m in this time and age. And thats what we are doing. And with Drury already on board for the coming 2 years -- its something that we need to handle.
If Wade scored 25-30 pts this season, I too would have said that it was impossible. Its tough luck for Wade, but the fact that he have produced so extremely little, have brought this possibility upon himself.
Redden has to be unloaded somehow, but I tend to think a more friendly method will be employed down the road. To be honest, I won't cry if this happened, and I'll likely welcome the cap space (sorry Wade) but I'd hope Sather to be gone in the very next second after he pulled the trigger. You just can't run a business like this. And I doubt Sather is going to take that brutal decision by fear of what could happen to himself. That's a very tricky situation for him.
Redden has to be unloaded somehow, but I tend to think a more friendly method will be employed down the road. To be honest, I won't cry if this happened, and I'll likely welcome the cap space (sorry Wade) but I'd hope Sather to be gone in the very next second after he pulled the trigger. You just can't run a business like this. And I doubt Sather is going to take that brutal decision by fear of what could happen to himself. That's a very tricky situation for him.
But as another poster pointed out, McPhee did the same thing with Nylander in Washington. That cap space allowed him to bolster the line-up with signings such as Mike Knuble.
So be it, let see what happens. But I doubt McPhee is in as much trouble as Sather is. Sather is piling up the bad decisions for a "while", McPhee has built a nice team at the exact same time, he could afford to take that decision.
So be it, let see what happens. But I doubt McPhee is in as much trouble as Sather is. Sather is piling up the bad decisions for a "while", McPhee has built a nice team at the exact same time, he could afford to take that decision.
... maybe because McPhee DID what was necessary and has a super successful team on his hands, WITH cap space to boot because of it?
Although He did wear the C for The Winterhawks. As did Callahan with the Guelph Storm.
Just my personal opinion but I prefer a guy with Dubinsky's persona as a Captain. I know a lot of people dismiss the importance of letters but I've always found that every team I've played on, in any sport, largely tends to take on the demeanor of their leadership. Yeah, yeah, I know not having a letter doesn't mean you can't lead but the guys with the letters are looked at directly as the heart/face of the team.
Either way in a few years I'd like to see the 'C' and 'A's on the sweaters of Staal, Callahan and Dubinsky, who gets what doesn't quite make a huge difference to me. They all perform on the ice night in and night out and their personalities range from very, very passionate (Dubi), calm/settled (Staal) and some where in the middle (Cally). That's just my opinion, maybe in a few years I'll get to actually see it.
I heard the Redden off ice rumors before we signed him, but for some reason, that was taboo and the mods wouldn't allow it to be discussed then.
looks like a duck, walks like a duck... Secondly, you knolw what ending Redden's NHL career would tell me as a UFA? Don't suck. Show some pride. Get your head out of your ass. And if you think you're not capable of any of those things, go play somewhere else.
Um... no I'm pretty sure he was not joking as this is about the 20th time I've heard of "rumors" of Redden and cocaine use. Of course, there's no way I'm going to find a link to it now - it's not like everytime I saw one I was like "OH! bookmarked!", but I can say with certainty that I have heard this rumor come up several times over the last 3-4 years.
I remember in the summer of 2006, when they both were free agents from Ottawa, there were people in this forum who were lobbying for Redden over Chara. Wow.
I also remember Wade Redden having been considered a bonafide top 10 if not top 5 defender in the NHL. I salivated over the thought of having him here at that time.
Of course, when we signed him two years later, I was indifferent. Now, I can't believe it.
People forget how highly regarded he was. He made the 2006 Olympic team, put together by The Great One. Of course, Rob Zamuner made the 1998 team, but still. It's a real shame how far he's fallen.
Redden is not going to Hartford. He will end up in Europe nexy year. He gets to play in a major league enviornment and the Rangers get to pay off most of his contract. That's how Kaspar's career ended. Ola, you need to get on gettting him placed in the Swedish League.
And what message does it send that he sticks around? That if you sign here for a lot of money that you can coast with no punishment?
Exactly. I want players that are motivated. If a player is willing to not play hard after getting a big deal I don't want him here anyway. Point is, if a player is threatened by that and goes elsewhere, that's probably best for us.
I also remember Wade Redden having been considered a bonafide top 10 if not top 5 defender in the NHL. I salivated over the thought of having him here at that time.
Of course, when we signed him two years later, I was indifferent. Now, I can't believe it.
People forget how highly regarded he was. He made the 2006 Olympic team, put together by The Great One. Of course, Rob Zamuner made the 1998 team, but still. It's a real shame how far he's fallen.
True. 5 years ago he was excellent. Now hes a minor leaguer, or at least should be.
To anyone who is concerned about the effect waiving Redden might have on future UFA's.... shut the **** up. In the past I supported that idea but come on... UFA's sign for money. They won't care if the team signed a UFA 3 years ago and it didn't work out. It's about $$$$. Please stop using that as a reason to keep Redden in the NHL.
With that said... we all know Redden sucks but there's nothing to gain by waiving him in February or March. Suck it up and deal with guy until the summer.
Redden is not going to Hartford. He will end up in Europe nexy year. He gets to play in a major league enviornment and the Rangers get to pay off most of his contract. That's how Kaspar's career ended. Ola, you need to get on gettting him placed in the Swedish League.
Kaspar is from that part of the world.
I fail to see Redden, a Canadian, uprooting his family and going to Europe when he could just play in Hartford, and not continue to not give a ****.
Well you said it yourself. What precedent will it set to send a player you signed to the minors? What message does that give to potential free agents? Might mean you will be forced to overpay for free agents even more so in the future.
The message is that the NYR are not the place to go for your big payday anymore. Put up or go play in Hartford.
You want the big contract, EARN IT PUNK.
Frankly, if the message is "overpay because I'm afraid of being sent down", **** off and let them sign somewhere else. I don't want those kinds of players on my team.
Well you said it yourself. What precedent will it set to send a player you signed to the minors? What message does that give to potential free agents? Might mean you will be forced to overpay for free agents even more so in the future.
It means they better understand that the party for F/A in NY are OVER 4EVER!
I remember in the summer of 2006, when they both were free agents from Ottawa, there were people in this forum who were lobbying for Redden over Chara. Wow.
I get bothered when I think of that summer, as Chara could have been added to the mix with Jags, Nylander, and Straka; that would have been pretty darn nice. Instead, we received Ward and Cullen...
I never wanted either guy. I thought Chara was horribly over rated & I belived that Redden was nearing the downside of his career.
I was 50/50. I was so wrong about Chara, In hindsight we should have gone hard after Chara. I remember people on this forum appaulding Sather for keeping the pen in his pocket & not signing him.
BUT, Chara did have a God Awful first year in Boston. Had he had the same reults his first year in NY with the way we are ( I know they aren't much easier on players in Boston) Chara may have never recovered & we would be having the same exact conversation about him now that we are having about Redden.
i hate when people say "what kind of message will it send to other free agents if we send redden to the minors" If a free agent gets an offer from the rangers and its a fair deal, they are not going to sit there and say hmm well things really didnt work out in new york for wade redden. they are going to take the money.
while it's not our responsibility to care what happens to Redden's career, I think it's pretty crappy that we essentially end his NHL career if we do decide to bury him in the minors as opposed to a buyout.
I know he hasn't played well enough to win over many fans, but he hasn't really done anything to piss me off. It's not his fault Sather put that contract on the table.
He still has some gas left in the tank as a 3rd pair d-man. To the point where he could probably play out most of the remainder of his contract at an NHL level, just not anywhere near what its worth.
A buyout just isn't realistic. As far as desteroying his career, Redden is doing apretty good job doing that to himself. My sugguestion would be this. Put him on waivers in the off season or training camp, whenever it really doesn't matter when, he is going to clear, than call him back up some team will claim him for Half the salary a year.
We are on the hook for $3.25 for four years, but it's less Money & time than if we buy him out. there is no easy solution for this problem, but this way could allow Redden to salvage his career.
A buyout just isn't realistic. As far as desteroying his career, Redden is doing apretty good job doing that to himself. My sugguestion would be this. Put him on waivers in the off season or training camp, whenever it really doesn't matter when, he is going to clear, than call him back up some team will claim him for Half the salary a year.
We are on the hook for $3.25 for four years, but it's less Money & time than if we buy him out. there is no easy solution for this problem, but this way could allow Redden to salvage his career.
Yeah... why would we call him back up and kill $3.25M cap space for the next four years? To do him a favor? Sorry Wade, you blew it. You can go to the minors and earn your big shot cash or, if playing in the AHL isn't for you, refuse your assignment and you can be cut free to go sign elsewhere. Calling him and HOPING that he gets taken on re-entry waivers is asinine. Once he's been sent down, what is the point of bringing him through re-entry waivers and essentially lowering the team's cap by $3M for the next four years? If he doesn't want to end his career in the minors he doesn't have to report to Hartford. Deal is terminated and Wade is a free agent. No way we intentionally bring him through re-entry and take the hit.
I dont understand what the problem is to send a 6,5M 12 point burden of a defenseman to the minors! Sure you can't blame Redden for taking the money, we all would. BUT Redden has played himself into the **** and i dont understand why he should be treated different than anyone else. Maybe it would ruin his NHL carreer, but at the end of the day that is Wade Reddens own fault for not showing up to play.
Well you said it yourself. What precedent will it set to send a player you signed to the minors? What message does that give to potential free agents? Might mean you will be forced to overpay for free agents even more so in the future.
The precedent is set. Schneider was sent to the minors this season about 2 months into his contract. Samsonov was waived by the Hawks. Recchi was waived. I could go on and on... This is hardly a ground breaking scenerio.
No message will be sent to future UFAs. If this was the case, don't you think our horrendous playoff track record, our weak teams, the lack of bonds between teammates for 13 years would discourage players from signing here? They come here because they get the highest bid. Simple as that. Maybe guys with integrity, pride and honor would frown on the waiving of Redden, but they wouldn't come here anyway to play under Sather. They wouldn't take our highest bid instead of staying in Ottawa or Pittsburgh like Niel and Orpik respectively. They stay because they have loyalty... to sign here would negate that characteristic, they would then be Redden themselves. Basically, we do no run the risk of losing these amazing teammates because we don't have the chance of getting them anyway.
I don't see UFAs as the answer in the least. That is our problem. Waive Redden, I pray that every UFA blackballs us. We could only thrive in that scenerio. The problem is drafting. The problem is roster turnover. The problem is impatience. Stop drafting boom/bust picks. There is a formula for drafting, the Wings and the Flyers know how to draft offensive stars. Find that out, that is why our scouts get paid. Then be patient. Then let the core develop for years. That's it.
