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02-01-2010, 02:09 PM
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So what about Plekanec?

27 year old center, 54 points in 56 games, would definately work good with kessel.
*cough* HAB *cough*

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02-01-2010, 02:11 PM
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*cough* HAB *cough*
I know, i know - but he's got talent and don't you remember who komisarek played for last year?

He's got 41 assists - thats the type of player kessel needs on his line.

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02-02-2010, 12:08 PM
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IIHF had him at 190 pounds, 6'0" in the recent WJC championship. And he is eligible for the AHL next year.
Is 6 foot, 190 at Christmas too small for the following year? He can easily add 10 pounds and be a 200 lbs guy. I don't know if these numbers are accurate, but why is this too small?

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02-02-2010, 12:11 PM
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I'm positive Drury will be a leaf by the trade deadline.

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Kadri???

I don't get you people. Really don't.

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Thornton is a UFA in 2011. Maybe he comes home?

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Staal will not be deat for Kaberle... Get over it already
It could happen, it would just require more than Kaberle. It would take Kulemin too.

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02-02-2010, 12:57 PM
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I'm positive Drury will be a leaf by the trade deadline.
Dear lord I hope not. Talk about a waste of money.

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Kadri and Bozak.

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02-02-2010, 03:34 PM
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Thornton is a UFA in 2011. Maybe he comes home?
Thorton's agent thinks Burke is ruining this team, and building Boston.

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02-02-2010, 04:51 PM
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Tomas Kaberle
Mikhail Grabovski
Lee Stempniak

for

Vincent Lecavalier
Steve Downie


Kadri - Lecavalier - Kessel
Stalberg - Bozak - Kulemin
Hanson - Mitchell - Downie
Orr - Primeau - Rosehill

Beauchemin - Phaneuf
Gunnarsson - Komisarek
Schenn - Aulie

Giguere
Gustavsson

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02-02-2010, 04:53 PM
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Oilers fan here, curious what Leaf fans think of a deal like this- Komisarek to EDM, for Horcoff... I figured they are both overpaid, and they could probably both help out the respective teams. I could see Horcoff putting up 60 points a year with a change of scenery and a decent winger, and he is a 5.5 cap hit. Thoughts?
Naw,

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Thorton's agent thinks Burke is ruining this team, and building Boston.
You know we didn't actually lose two - 1st round picks right

We landed a guy named Phil Kessel, who would actually be Boston's best player right now.

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I'm positive Drury will be a leaf by the trade deadline.
Holy crap i hope not

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I can't see us going for a Briere type contract right now. We're going to have to move a defenseman or two before we even think about something like that. Trade for Briere now and we risk not being able to make much of a slpash in the free agent market this offseason.

A better bet would be to go for a younger center who's have an off year. Mueller, Cogliano, etc.

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02-02-2010, 05:00 PM
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I'm positive Drury will be a leaf by the trade deadline.
He better be along side a first rounder as well.

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02-02-2010, 05:02 PM
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You know we didn't actually lose two - 1st round picks right

We landed a guy named Phil Kessel, who would actually be Boston's best player right now.
I know that, but tell it to Thornton's agent. It's a true story, but I can't link it.

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02-02-2010, 05:21 PM
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The options Id explore would be.

1. J.Staal
2.Marleau (Requires no assets, hes a UFA, but I expect him to get around 6mil)
3. Mueller
4. Lecavalier (that salary and term is scary judging by production this year)


To Toronto: J.Staal (4)
To Pittsburgh: A. Poni(2.1), T. Kaberle(4.25), + Some prospect...


I cant really see this deal happening, Pittsburgh would have to send a small contract our way to make it work before the deadline. I dont see this deal happening till the offseason, Staal is a big part of the Cup champs team down the middle. So that would make it Kaberle + Something (as we would have no poni), afraid to say what impact player that would be, something like Kadri.

Marleau:He would cost us no assets, so this might be the best way to patch the wholes we have down the middle. If the Leafs signed him next year we would have 2 lines with potential, Marleau on the 1st and Kadri on the 2nd. I dont see this happening unless Burke kisses some serious ass or fires Wilson. Rumours have swirled for years how much Marleau hates playing for Wilson...then again, Money Talks.

Estimate Cost: 6 Million per year on a multi year deal, no assets.

To Phoenix: Poni, Kaberle, Finger
To Toronto: Mueller + 1st


Some of you may think this deal makes no sense, I estimate, Ponis value at a 2nd rounder, and Mueller is obviously worth more than that. Kaberle goes with Poni and therefore more has to come back where is where the 1st comes in, and Finger is a dump of a contract to a team with 15 mil in cap space. This is the deal id think would be fair and would make sense for both teams however; I cant see a team that has ownership turmoil taking on that much salary. Then again we could take a UFA of theirs for this year as a dump. This team desperately needs a playoff run, and even Finger as a dump could contribute to their team.

I know Mueller isnt a #1 center yet, but the potential is DEFINITLY there, hes got all the tools, and he fits the mold of this team. Hes big he can skate, which would work well with Kessel (whom he has previously played with and had chemistry with)


To Tampa: Kaberle, Finger, 2nd, Oreskivich
To Toronto: Vinny Lecavalier


I really have no idea on this trade, its almost impossible to estimate Vinnys value. If his contract wasnt for such a long term, and he didn't have such a horrible season it would be completely different. Rumor has it the team is about to be sold and wants to shed some salary, and this sheds some for the long term. Kaberle has a ton of value at that contract and adds something they have coveted since they got rid of Dan Boyle. Finger is obviously a dump of ours and Oreskivich is a defender who has probably missed his chance in Toronto and could add an intangible that Tampa doesnt have on the back end right now, a in your face, sturdy dman in his own end who can bang. I know this proposal looks a bit out there, but I truely think Vinnys value has dropped a lot.

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You know we didn't actually lose two - 1st round picks right

We landed a guy named Phil Kessel, who would actually be Boston's best player right now.
Savard and Chara don't play for the Bruins anymore? Even Bergeron has as many points as Kessel.

The Pens will not trade Staal. Maybe next year, or in three years time, or never, who knows. But there is no chance of him leaving this year. He's playing great, and he's a huge part of their team. They won't deal him before the playoffs. Leaf_crazy your deal for him is pretty good, with either Poni or Kulemin being the winger in the deal and then some random prospect, but it won't happen.

Also, that trade for Lecavalier is horrendous. He's playing at a PPG (which is below what he could and should be producing) but still quite good, and obviously a big part of that team. They definitely won't send him for a package including Finger and Oreskovic. He's also got a NMC, and apparently loves Tampa and won't waive it.

I like the Mueller one though, rids us of Finger and an expiring UFA. Might be a tad high from our end, but maybe not either.

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02-02-2010, 06:12 PM
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Savard and Chara don't play for the Bruins anymore? Even Bergeron has as many points as Kessel.

The Pens will not trade Staal. Maybe next year, or in three years time, or never, who knows. But there is no chance of him leaving this year. He's playing great, and he's a huge part of their team. They won't deal him before the playoffs. Leaf_crazy your deal for him is pretty good, with either Poni or Kulemin being the winger in the deal and then some random prospect, but it won't happen.

Also, that trade for Lecavalier is horrendous. He's playing at a PPG (which is below what he could and should be producing) but still quite good, and obviously a big part of that team. They definitely won't send him for a package including Finger and Oreskovic. He's also got a NMC, and apparently loves Tampa and won't waive it.

I like the Mueller one though, rids us of Finger and an expiring UFA. Might be a tad high from our end, but maybe not either.
I agree, I dont see Staal as a leaf, and I dont think Burke will touch Vinny. But I dont think his value is as high as some think it is, his contract is pretty crazy especially the cap hit in the later years. Definitly hard to project what he will fetch if he is traded. I do however think the Mueller deal I proposed is the best deal and makes sense IMO.

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Oilers fan here, curious what Leaf fans think of a deal like this- Komisarek to EDM, for Horcoff... I figured they are both overpaid, and they could probably both help out the respective teams. I could see Horcoff putting up 60 points a year with a change of scenery and a decent winger, and he is a 5.5 cap hit. Thoughts?
seriously...no need for Horcoff ....we gave up Stajan....(60 point player) truly only one player on the Oilers that i want..............cogliano!!! what would it take for the Leafs to get him????

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Savard and Chara don't play for the Bruins anymore? Even Bergeron has as many points as Kessel.

The Pens will not trade Staal. Maybe next year, or in three years time, or never, who knows. But there is no chance of him leaving this year. He's playing great, and he's a huge part of their team. They won't deal him before the playoffs. Leaf_crazy your deal for him is pretty good, with either Poni or Kulemin being the winger in the deal and then some random prospect, but it won't happen.

Also, that trade for Lecavalier is horrendous. He's playing at a PPG (which is below what he could and should be producing) but still quite good, and obviously a big part of that team. They definitely won't send him for a package including Finger and Oreskovic. He's also got a NMC, and apparently loves Tampa and won't waive it.

I like the Mueller one though, rids us of Finger and an expiring UFA. Might be a tad high from our end, but maybe not either.
since junior i have never ever ever liked Mueller......most people on here like him because he was a first round pick.....never liked him,,,and still dont....the most i'd give for him is a 7th round pick.....dont let him being a 1st round pick cloud your minds....he is not worth a first rounder...and not even a second or third rounder!!!

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Lecavalier for Komisarek + Grabovski +

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The options Id explore would be.

1. J.Staal
2.Marleau (Requires no assets, hes a UFA, but I expect him to get around 6mil)
3. Mueller
4. Lecavalier (that salary and term is scary judging by production this year)


To Toronto: J.Staal (4)
To Pittsburgh: A. Poni(2.1), T. Kaberle(4.25), + Some prospect...



To Phoenix: Poni, Kaberle, Finger
To Toronto: Mueller + 1st



To Tampa: Kaberle, Finger, 2nd, Oreskivich
To Toronto: Vinny Lecavalier

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this is Funny, Lecavalier regardless of his cap hit is the best of these 3 players by a MILE, and he's getting far and away the worst package

Mueller is close to being considered a bust ...if he were a Leaf, he'd already have that label

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this is Funny, Lecavalier regardless of his cap hit is the best of these 3 players by a MILE, and he's getting far and away the worst package

Mueller is close to being considered a bust ...if he were a Leaf, he'd already have that label
Mueller is far from being considered a bust. I guarentee most NHL execs would think the same, Mueller is 21 years old. Sure hes regressed in every season but maybe a change in scenery is what he needs, its a risk, but has worked for a zillion other players in the past. His value isnt as high as it was, but he still has value.

And Yes I do admit my package for Vinny is terrible, but thats just my opinion on that contract, taking that huge of a cap hit when he turns 40 years old is just insane.

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