i find this funny since thats actually the first option in my poll ;-)
lol, that is the one I chose! But not because he can't find a job necessarily more because he'll probably make more money - or the same amount and just have the comforts of the motherland.
The thing I don't understand is where is all the supposed "talent?" I supported the move when it was made and Lisin's goals/per TOI stats were in the top 3 of Phoenix skaters last season so I figured he was a "high risk, high reward" type player. But where is the skill? He skates at 100 mph but it seems as if he has no puck handling abilities whatsoever.
The areas where I thought he would struggle he's been relatively decent in. I don't think he's made many egregious errors defensively, at least not anything that every other forward on the roster hasn't done fairly regularly. He doesn't shy away from contact. He throws the body around occasionally.
But where is the skill? People who were comparing him to Zherdev were WAY off. Whereas sometimes I wished Zherdev would just put his head down and skate to the net, I find myself screaming at Lisin to slow down. He needs to learn to pull up once in a while and let the rest of the team get in position. Survey the defense. I've seen very little creativity out of him.
The kids just not a smart hockey player. He has tremendous speed, but for every good play he makes, he makes two bad ones.
Thats kind of my stance as well...im not sure its his youth, or his inexperience, or the other things ppl say about him so much as I think hes just a dumb player. It seems like he can, more or less, do what he wants, when he wants to do it out there...but what he wants to do is usually a dumb thing, go in end to end then throw the puck to an area where nobody in his right mind would be....blaze up the ice at 100mph trying to beat 3 guys up the middle instead of taking it wide and waiting for some help....his hockey IQ is really lacking...and i'm not sure if you can fix stupid.
im a fairly optimistic kinda guy. i voted 3rd liner. woulda voted for "3rd line or second line depending on the team" but there wasnt an option. but in all actuality, hell probably end up in the K or something
The thing I don't understand is where is all the supposed "talent?" I supported the move when it was made and Lisin's goals/per TOI stats were in the top 3 of Phoenix skaters last season so I figured he was a "high risk, high reward" type player. But where is the skill? He skates at 100 mph but it seems as if he has no puck handling abilities whatsoever.
The areas where I thought he would struggle he's been relatively decent in. I don't think he's made many egregious errors defensively, at least not anything that every other forward on the roster hasn't done fairly regularly. He doesn't shy away from contact. He throws the body around occasionally.
But where is the skill? People who were comparing him to Zherdev were WAY off. Whereas sometimes I wished Zherdev would just put his head down and skate to the net, I find myself screaming at Lisin to slow down. He needs to learn to pull up once in a while and let the rest of the team get in position. Survey the defense. I've seen very little creativity out of him.
He'll end up in the KHL, IMO.
I was a big supporter of the trade. And I like a lot of the flashes I see from Enver. In addition to a great shot and phenomenal speed, I see a guy who has learned positional responsibility and a willingness to body check only second to Ryan Callahan on this team.
And yet... I am more and more concerned with Enver's inability to keep the puck on his stick. I really do think that he's learned the defensive game and has become an excellent forchecker. But as another poster said a couple of weeks ago - it appears that he handles the puck like a hand grenade.
He has the instincts to make the plays of a first line scoring winger. And he has the wheels to carry out those instincts. But I am starting to get really depressed watching him create open space for himself, watching him get around players, watching him go one-on-one... and then have the puck flip on him and go skittering into the corner when he makes the first deke.
Either he needs to slow his game down and make sure he takes better care of the puck - or he needs to somehow improve his ability to keep the puck on his stick (not sure if there are drills for that, but if anyone has an idea, they should call him). 'Cause if he can't do the one or the other, then he may well wind up in the KHL. Which would be a shame given how good his other skills are and how much work he's clearly put in to improving the other, away from the puck, aspects of his game.
I remain in favor of the philosophy behind the Korpi for Lisin trade - I will always want to take the risk on the player with skill, because at the end of the day, skill is what wins championships (and is what the Rangers have lacked since about '97). But I'm starting to worry that Enver Lisin might have a fatal flaw that renders his shot, wheels and bodychecking moot. I really hope I'm wrong, because the rest of his game just reeks of potential.
He at least works hard out there and teams will admire that for as long as he can move up and down the ice quickly. Sooner or later, teams will give up on the possible point production breakout though.
To be fair, we have more concerns than what Enver Lisin will be over the next few years.
Lisin has excellent speed but doesn't put it to use. When he does he loses control of the puck, turns it over, or shoots the puck right at the goalie chest. If he was able to become more physical adding checking and defense into his style of play and worked on his stick handling I could see him becoming a better version of callahan. But for now with the way he's playing he'll be one of those players getting sent down and called up, being traded constantly and being a 3rd liner at best. Posted via Mobile Device
He has great hockey skills, but the hockey IQ of Sandy McCarthy. He just looks dumb on the ice. He's got speed, he's tenacioius, he's got hands, he has a good shot, he just doesn't seem to know what he's doing.
I was deciding between third and second liner because if he's a fourth liner he won't be in the NHL and gave him the benefit of the doubt and threw him in the top - 6.
Lisin needs to improve his balance. And establish patience. He's like a stupid puppy with his decision making. Usually rushes and doesn't take full advantage of some of the opportunity's he's capable of creating with his attributes.
He plays like a rookie at times, with the way he under-thinks certain situations.
I have no problems with the kids effort though. I like the fact that he hustles. He just needs to smarten up a bit. Take a page out of Callahan's book and learn a thing or two about anticipation.
A good coach can probably bring out the best in him. Same can probably be said about half the talent that's never come to fruition in this league, but still, I wonder if Torts is the right mentor for Enver.
Honestly? I project him becoming a pretty good player...in the KHL.
This is the correct answer. Sure, you could go with 3rd/4th liner, but look at guys like Zherdev with more talent who could be great 2nd line players or 1st liners in a pinch. Lisin could be an "ok" 3rd liner somewhere (if not here) but he's more likely to end up as a 1st/2nd liner making more money back home in Russia.
I'm not sure how old he is. If he's in his mid twenties already I can't see him learning too much more and really fixing his game. So, in that case, KHL.
If he's still lower 20's, I could see him turning into a second-line type guy.
Too much Rico Fata right now. He strikes me as a player who if he's not going to play on the top two lines, I'm not sure what role he's really going to have. A bit like Marcel Hossa.
