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02-22-2010, 12:15 PM
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to Philadelphia Flyers: Carey Price, Paul Mara, Ryan O'Byrne, D'Agostini
to Montreal:Braydon Coburn,Scott Hartnell
to Los Angeles Kings:Scott Hartnell, Harmlik, Ben Maxwell, 2011 1st round pick
to Montreal:Jack Johnson
to St.Louis:Andrei Kostitsyn, Sergie Kostitsyn, Spacek, 2010 1st round pick
to Montreal:Erik Johnson
to New York Rangers: Pacioretty, Maxim Lapierre, Fischer, 2010 2nd round pick
to Montreal: Ryan Callahan

Montreal Canadiens 2009-10 Roster:

Cammalleri(6M)-Tomas Plekanec(2.75M)-Ryan Callahan (2.3M) ~11M
Benoit Pouliot(.6M)-Scott Gomez(7.3M)-Gionta(5M) ~13M
Metropolit(1M)-Dominic Moore(1.1M)-Moen(1.5M) ~3.6M
Mathieu Darche(.6m)-Ryan White(.9m)-Pyatt(.9m) ~2.4M
spare: Desharnais
~30M

Andrei Markov(5.75M)-Braydon Coburn(1.3M) ~7
Jack Johnson(1.5m)-Erik Johnson(3.7m) ~5.2m
Gill(2.25M),Gorges(1M) ~3.25M
P.K. Subban(.9M)
~16.35M

Jaroslav Halak(.775m)
Curtis Sanford(.6m)
~1.375M

total=~$48M
Do these aquisitions have anything to do with the Canada USA game? J and E Johnson and Callahan... hmm...

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likely no substance to this one, as usual... but here's my shot at it:

To Dallas: (gives Turco, Niskanen, Brunnstrom)
Cogliano
Souray
D'agostini

Why?- Dallas gets a young cheap 2-way forward needing a change of scenery, a rugged PP specialist dman(adding much needed size/grit to their defense) and a borderline top 6 prospect, while getting rid of Turco's remaining contract, and dumping the disappointing Brunnstrom.

To Edm: (gives cogliano, brule, souray, 3rd)
Halak
Spacek
Brunnstrom

Why?- Edm gains their goalie of the future(and present) who is still relatively cheap, swap dmen getting a cheaper similarly productive player who enjoyed success there, and a project top 6 winger with good size/speed.

To Mtl: (gives Halak, Spacek, D'agostini)
Brule
edm 3rd 2010
Niskanen
Turco

Why?- Mtl gets cheaper and younger (for 2010-11), gains another 2005 reclamation project who fills a 3rd line centre (with secondary scoring potential) need cheaply, a young/cheap Rdman whose best season came playing next to a player quite similar to Markov... could be a great fit... a #1 goalie that, though a salary dump they would not re-sign, can split time with Price down the stretch and hopefully set a good professional example (and motivated by playing for a new contract even if not in montreal), and a very high 3rd round pick... while unloading a contract they don't really need in Spacek.



i think the value for all three teams is pretty solid. Edmonton might be giving up a bit more, but Souray's contract off the books helps them re-tool this offseason, and they get arguably the best player in the entire deal.
Dallas loses here... they really don't get much for Turco Niskanen and Brunstrom.

Montreal laughs and runs away with this trade... I would do it.


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02-22-2010, 08:28 PM
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Dallas loses here... they really don't get much for Turco Niskanen and Brunstrom.

Montreal laughs and runs away with this trade... I would do it.
maybe so, my reasoning is that turco is just a big $$ figure waiting to be moved, and brunnstrom doesn't seem to have room in their top 6 with the emergence of Neal, and too expensive/inefective to be used in a bottom six.

Souray, though pricey, fits into their cap structure, and adds a pretty missing element to their defensive group (size, grit, leadership, not too mention being an offensive upgrade on the inconsistent Niskanen).

obviously i think it makes sense for montreal, but i wouldn't say it's that much of a slam dunk. If niskanen doesn't find chemistry with markov or hamrlik, we'd be adding another softish player to a softish lineup, who may never return to his rookie season form (next to zubov), Brule is another smurf up front, turco is just a salary swap and gone next year, and the 3rd is... well a 3rd.

honestly, dumping spacek's cap hit for the next 2 years is one of the biggest incentives, and losing Halak is a pretty risky trade off imo...

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Alright guys here is Ek's big 3 way Habs rumor...

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Been chasing the Montreal Rumor for several days now. an here is what i have.

IMPORTANT TO NOTE:These players/deals are not intended to be complete in any way and are based on a few sources who have their ear to the ground in a few cities.

Here is what I have heard.

On the Montreal/Edmonton/Dallas...

To Montreal: Cogliano, Brunnstrom, Smid and Dallas #2 2010, #1 2011.
To Dallas: Grebeshkov, Horcoff, another prospect player from Edmonton and Montreal's 3 in 2010.
To Edmonton: Price. Richards, a Habs Prospect, a Stars #2 next season.

On Montreal, Toronto, NJ and Peter Mueller...

On a much smaller level...The Canadiens also have great interest in Mueller.
What do you all think of that?

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02-22-2010, 10:24 PM
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Alright guys here is Ek's big 3 way Habs rumor...



What do you all think of that?
I dont understand why Dallas would do that. And Edmonton wins this deal by a mile. Montreal gets a decent package, too bad the draft in 2011 is going to be the weakest one in decades.

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Alright guys here is Ek's big 3 way Habs rumor...



What do you all think of that?
Well, for all the wait... it was kind of a waste of time lol...

Cogliano is an interesting piece, but very soft. Good prospect at this point...
Brunnstrom is IMO another softy,
& Smid is a very big softy.

All shoot left handed, which is too common place on our squad. None play RW, Which is another heavy issue.

All the while gaining a 2nd this year and a crappy first for next year...

For Carey Price, A habs prospect, and a 3rd in 2010...

Nope. I wouldnt pull the trigger. I dont buy this one... way too much movement, and we're not giving enough salary away in order for this to make sense.

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Alright guys here is Ek's big 3 way Habs rumor...



What do you all think of that?
Ridiculous. Ek should post his "proposals" on the Free Agent and Trade board before posting them on his blog.

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Alright guys here is Ek's big 3 way Habs rumor...



What do you all think of that?
So we're getting garbage for Price, amazing.

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Thank god Ek posted this, that means there's no way of this happening.

If this is all we can get for Price, we may see a PG lynching as I'm extremely confident Price will go on to have a great career.

He's only 22, why is anyone calling for this guy's head?!


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I dont understand why Dallas would do that. And Edmonton wins this deal by a mile. Montreal gets a decent package, too bad the draft in 2011 is going to be the weakest one in decades.
If Montreal gives up Price for a package of draft picks, Cogliano (average), Brunnstrom (average) and Smid (okay), I'll egg Gauthier's house. What do any of those players give us that we don't already have? This is bogus. If you look at what Dallas is receiving, there's also no reason for them to give up Brad Richards for Grebeshkov, Horcoff and prospects lol there's no way Edmonton ends up with Price and Richards by giving up Cogliano, Grebeshkov and Horcoff. That's highway robbery!

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Why on earth would we deal Price? Especially for a package like that..

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I would be pissed if that proposed deal had any truth to it, but I am extremely intrigued by the latter part of Eklund's post. I want Mueller!!

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I would be pissed if that proposed deal had any truth to it, but I am extremely intrigued by the latter part of Eklund's post. I want Mueller!!
I read somewhere Pierre Mcguire (who has good sources with some teams - including PHX) said Mueller is considering quitting hockey for Religious (or spiritual) reasons???

Maybe we can sign him up for Olivier Bauer's university course?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=263480

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Do these aquisitions have anything to do with the Canada USA game? J and E Johnson and Callahan... hmm...
I thought they played really well and I think they would complement the Montreal team nicely.

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So we're getting garbage for Price, amazing.
I wouldn't trade Price for that package..It doesn't address any of the Habs needs...If PG pulled a deal like that he should be fired on the spot...

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I wouldn't trade Price for that package..It doesn't address any of the Habs needs...If PG pulled a deal like that he should be fired on the spot...
We could get Sharp or Horton for a package that doesn't include Price IMO. Then there's no reason to trade Price unless we're getting a player of Carter/Kopitar/Toews quality in return. If you want a #5 overall pick you have to pay for it. It's a known fact that goalies take longer to develop - this does not reduce Price's value. Keep and develop him unless you get a marquee player you can't say no to.

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If Montreal gives up Price for a package of draft picks, Cogliano (average), Brunnstrom (average) and Smid (okay), I'll egg Gauthier's house. What do any of those players give us that we don't already have? This is bogus. If you look at what Dallas is receiving, there's also no reason for them to give up Brad Richards for Grebeshkov, Horcoff and prospects lol there's no way Edmonton ends up with Price and Richards by giving up Cogliano, Grebeshkov and Horcoff. That's highway robbery!
Not even one of you read the whole part at the start about how that wasn't the whole deal and wasn't to be taken at face value, right?

I'm as skeptical of Eklund as the next guy, but at least read what he says before slamming him.

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The C.Price rumor/offer is ridiculous, and I'm a J.Halak supporter.



I just want to put this out there for people who say Montreal can not walk away stealing some players for next to nothing from some team. (salary cap considered)

How did the NHL's darling franchise in San Jose end up with


Joe Thorton

Dan Boyle

and

Danny Heatley


Can someone please post exactly what they gave up to acquire these three Canadian Olympians?
I know they fail miserably every year in the playoffs but boy it would be great to have this kind of talent on your team.

Someone please post the trades.

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Off hte top of my head, they gave Sturm and a bunch of crap to boston (3 other players something like that)

Milan Michalek(sp?) and Cheechoo for Heatley..

edit: oh yea Wayne Primeau and Brad Stuart

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The C.Price rumor/offer is ridiculous, and I'm a J.Halak supporter.



I just want to put this out there for people who say Montreal can not walk away stealing some players for next to nothing from some team. (salary cap considered)

How did the NHL's darling franchise in San Jose end up with


Joe Thorton

Dan Boyle

and

Danny Heatley


Can someone please post exactly what they gave up to acquire these three Canadian Olympians?
I know they fail miserably every year in the playoffs but boy it would be great to have this kind of talent on your team.

Someone please post the trades.
Tampa sent:
-Boyle
-Brad Lukowitch

San Jose sent:
-Matt Carle
-Ty Wishart
-1st in 2009
-4th in 2010

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Boston traded:
-Thornton

San Jose traded:
-Marco Sturm
-Brad Stuart
-Wayne Primeau

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Ottawa traded:
-Dany Healtey

San Jose traded:
-Milan Michalek
-Jonathan Cheechoo
-2nd Rounder in 2010

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All 3 signed, all 3 in the prime of their careers?

I know in the Boyle and Heatley case there were special circumstances (original team was kind of forced into trading a star player) but how can the same team, San Jose get ALL three deals done?

It's happened before also .... Edmonton with C.Pronger ..... the Habs with Patrick Roy ..... etc.

We need a little bit of luck and one of these deals to land in our lap for things to change.


Let's face it, the Chicago/Pittsburgh model of finishing last for 3 or 4 years to get a top 5 pick isn't going to happen around here.

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Not even one of you read the whole part at the start about how that wasn't the whole deal and wasn't to be taken at face value, right?

I'm as skeptical of Eklund as the next guy, but at least read what he says before slamming him.
Yeah I read the first part and it got worse as I kept reading.. Why did he even post names if he's not completely sure then?

Looks like just another case of Ek just tossing names out there hoping they stick as usual? It's still a brutal deal IMO for the Habs if it even resembles something like that..The only guy on that list I would want on the Habs is Richards and we can't afford his salary..

I don't recall seeing it before so you might be the only guy I've seen on HF that as actually defended an Eklund rumor..

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That deal makes no sense at all. We get 3 players from two teams that both teams have been trying to get rid of in deals since last summer?

No thanks.

Plus, Richards is doing great in Dallas. Sure his contract is big, but he is producing and the Horcoff contract is lengthy and awful to take on. Dallas would be further ahead trading for Halak or Price straight up and letting Turco walk. The $5 million salary of Turco takes a lot of the books for the Stars.

Oilers would benefit the best from this trade. An elite centre, then you have the Hemsky's and Gagners there still and a young potential star in Price to build around too...and all this without giving up a star prospect???

Eklund took 3 three days to hear back from his sources because he couldn't dream up the deal in hours...his imagination has ran wild, but it is awful. 3 way trade never happen, and not to this size.

BS, and thank god!

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I read somewhere Pierre Mcguire (who has good sources with some teams - including PHX) said Mueller is considering quitting hockey for Religious (or spiritual) reasons???

Maybe we can sign him up for Olivier Bauer's university course?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=263480
I posted the same thing about Mueller right before the trade freeze, Mcguire said it on the TEAM 1200 (ottawa) that Mueller is considering leaving the game for personal reasons, which is why PHX is trying to unload him. The guy is messed up in the head.

Sorry but i have no interest in trading assets for someone who may not be around in a couple of years

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Yeah I read the first part and it got worse as I kept reading.. Why did he even post names if he's not completely sure then?

Looks like just another case of Ek just tossing names out there hoping they stick as usual? It's still a brutal deal IMO for the Habs if it even resembles something like that..The only guy on that list I would want on the Habs is Richards and we can't afford his salary..

I don't recall seeing it before so you might be the only guy I've seen on HF that as actually defended an Eklund rumor..
Well, as I said, I am all for calling him out when he posts stupid things, but his post quite clearly says something along the lines of those just being the names he has heard, but not all of them are yet there, so he is aware the deal doesn't really make sense exactly at face value.

Then there are 50 posts saying how stupid the deal is at face value.

He's loony enough to poke holes in his "rumors" without people misrepresenting what he's saying.

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All 3 signed, all 3 in the prime of their careers?

I know in the Boyle and Heatley case there were special circumstances (original team was kind of forced into trading a star player) but how can the same team, San Jose get ALL three deals done?

It's happened before also .... Edmonton with C.Pronger ..... the Habs with Patrick Roy ..... etc.

We need a little bit of luck and one of these deals to land in our lap for things to change.


Let's face it, the Chicago/Pittsburgh model of finishing last for 3 or 4 years to get a top 5 pick isn't going to happen around here.
I know it's still early and it's not a package deal but from what I've seen of Pouliot and the style he plays, I'd say he's one deal that's come out in our favor (not to say that Latendresse hasn't had a good year in Minnesota but he wasn't with us). We got a player who's playing like a #4 overall pick for a guy who was on the outskirts of our 4th line. If we can pull a deal like the ones you're mentioning for Sharp or Horton, we're in business. Then we only lack a top 4 defenceman.

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