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02-02-2010, 06:09 PM
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Trade him and re-sign him in a year
Cuzz I'm sure after being dumped, he would want to return

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02-02-2010, 06:13 PM
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unless burkie gets the offer he's looking for then see ya Kabs....it's really stupid on Kaberle, or any human being to rely on there management of the company they work for when it comes down to it. The management will always do what's right for the organization. Kaberle's days in Toronto are marked.

Thus, if Kaberle signs a low-ball deal it will be easier for Burke to get an even better return for him.
Kaberle is right for the organization. There's no puckmovers beyond him.

Better bet that if Kaberle signs a sweetheart deal, it will come with a full NTC.

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02-02-2010, 06:26 PM
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Kaberle is right for the organization. There's no puckmovers beyond him.

Better bet that if Kaberle signs a sweetheart deal, it will come with a full NTC.
Or he gets traded to Burkie's buddies in Anaheim or New York City....

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02-02-2010, 06:47 PM
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With XLB and Van Ryn off the books for next year,if we could somehow move Finger's contract then I think were in great shape.How are we suppose to replace Kabby's offense?
His offense isn't at even strength. They can figure another way to run the PP. He is a 6 goal scorer not Mike Green. They won't miss a beat. How much worse than 29th can they get?

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As mentioned, Burke wants to keep him.

I also believe that by showing loyalty to Kaberle's NTC and desire to stay in Toronto, Burke will parlay that into a hometown discount next season when they are allowed to talk contract extension.

Signing a player of Kaberle's skills to lower than market value will help offset the cap hit of a big UFA signing... (and Phaneuf's contract)
Burke tried to move him last year. There were just no takers. He had a better season so far so I think there will be more interest this time around. TK is not a Burke type player and nobody else brings any quality back. They have way too much money invested in the D.
What you say about the hometown discount is possible but I think you are mistaken. If BB wanted to keep him there would have been no list last year, and no deals talked about at all. He speaks in absolutes. He won't say anything that will hurt Kab's value. I know he wouldn't just give him away for any deal, but they need another decent scoring center more than they need what he brings to the D. He is more Mark Streit than Nik Lidstrom. A good, but not great player.

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02-02-2010, 06:50 PM
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Why do we need to move Komisarek....I would rather move Beauchemin if need be....Besides Marleau and Kovalchuk there isn't many FA's out there and the possibility of them even making it are very slim
Beauch is better, by quite a bit. Komi is an older angrier Luke Schenn with even less offense. At his best I like him, but with zero offense he needs to be a defensive wall to have value, and he hasn't been so far.

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Kaberle and Phaneuf on the PP would be amazing. That being said, we've got Kaberle, Phaneuf, Komi, Beauchemin, Schenn, and Gunnar to fill out the D. That's a lot of quality D-men.

Finger's gone, somehow.
too bad about that little thing known as the salary cap

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02-02-2010, 07:19 PM
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i would keep kabs... and try to move komisarek next year, unless he comes back and shows why he earned so much money at which point i'd keep him.

and ditch exelby and finger ASAP.

Kabs-Phaneuf
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too bad about that little thing known as the salary cap
I know. Somethings gotta give by next year. I kind of think it's going to be Kaberle, but we don't really have anyone to take his spot.

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02-03-2010, 02:43 AM
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unless burkie gets the offer he's looking for then see ya Kabs....it's really stupid on Kaberle, or any human being to rely on there management of the company they work for when it comes down to it. The management will always do what's right for the organization. Kaberle's days in Toronto are marked.

Thus, if Kaberle signs a low-ball deal it will be easier for Burke to get an even better return for him.
Most lowball deals come with NTC, and while BB doesn't like them, for a lowball deal, I think he'd give it. But probably with some conditions.

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02-03-2010, 09:43 AM
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Kaberle

Nick Kypreos brought up an interesting point last night in the first intermission. He said that Kaberle might give Burke a list of teams so that he can have a say in where he goes. Im not saying that Kabs will waive his no trade just speculating. I saw an interesting proposal on the trade rumors board.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=733634

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Bergfors+Corrente+First.
would you guys do this I think this is a pretty good offer dont you

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02-03-2010, 09:47 AM
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Nick Kypreos brought up an interesting point last night in the first intermission. He said that Kaberle might give Burke a list of teams so that he can have a say in where he goes. Im not saying that Kabs will waive his no trade just speculating. I saw an interesting proposal on the trade rumors board.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=733634



would you guys do this I think this is a pretty good offer dont you
Not interested at all.

Bergfors is ok, but not enticing enough to trade Kaberle to an already stacked NJ squad who will only get better.

David Clarkson
Mattias Tedenby or Jacob Josefson

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Kaberle

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02-03-2010, 09:48 AM
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IMO, Kaberle only goes to find the top line forward.

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Seems like the type of deal Burke is looking for.

I'd do it.

Bergfors has had a good start to the season but has been struggling lately. Not sure if he's the type of forward Burke would be looking for when he's still retooling his team. Nonetheless, a good young player to add in this I think. I really think Cormier would be a guy Burke would likely get in this deal instead. Ceiling is much lower but tons of character.

Corrente would be a really good addition to the Leafs and the type of player Burke loves to draft, sign and trade for. Great potential in Corrente.

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02-03-2010, 09:51 AM
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I think if Buffalo is on the list of Kaberle's preferred destinations, Burke will push hard for Zack Kassian and a 1st in 2010.

Not saying he'll get it, but it fits with what the media feels will be the return (a 1st, and a good prospect).

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IMO, for Kaberle we need to get a center. Either an older (same age as Kaberle) established #1, or a younger player with 1st line center potential + picks

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the same thing was said about Kubina

I'm on the fence about moving Kaberle but I guess it all depends on what you can get

there is a lot of money commited to the D right now and it would be tough to improve the fwds via FA unless something happens

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would Mueller + Boedker + 1st 2010 work?

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would Mueller + Boedker + 1st 2010 work?
No reason for Phoenix to do it.

I like Buffalo's assets best. I'm not even as interested in the 1st as I am for immediate help.

Even if its Kassian and MacArthur for Kaberle. I'd do it.

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02-03-2010, 09:59 AM
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No reason for Phoenix to do it.

I like Buffalo's assets best. I'm not even as interested in the 1st as I am for immediate help.

Even if its Kassian and MacArthur for Kaberle. I'd do it.
Is MacArthur that big developing power forward?

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02-03-2010, 11:19 AM
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id sort of like to see where burke takes this team before we unload kaberle.

unless we are getting legit top end forward(preferably center) it doesnt make sense.

we can sign a 2nd line talent as a ufa a lot easier then we can sign a player like kabs (especially at that price)

i sort of feel like the leafs will be ok next year. our defense is amazing, our goaltending is respectable and we have a few forwards who are quality -kessel. i think its possible we can get 1 or 2 ufa who will also be helpful.

just doesnt make sense to trade kabs right now for mediocre players

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02-03-2010, 11:27 AM
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just doesnt make sense to trade kabs right now for mediocre players
yeah i agree, honestly I am happy as long as we get a first out of it or a really decent prospect...

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Is MacArthur that big developing power forward?
No he's small and not a power forward.

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its a shame
phaneuf - kaberle reminds of a bit of pronger - niedermayer

what a great advantage

kaberle one shift
phaneuf the next

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02-03-2010, 11:55 AM
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Most lowball deals come with NTC, and while BB doesn't like them, for a lowball deal, I think he'd give it. But probably with some conditions.
I believe he's already given a NTC to a current Leaf.

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would Mueller + Boedker + 1st 2010 work?
That would be one of the deals that I would say yes too. So unless we get that offer or one superior to that I want Kaberle to be a Leaf.

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