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Kovalchuk/Salmela to NJ for Oduya/Bergfors/Cormier/1st; teams swap 2nd round picks

View Poll Results: What is the most you would give Kovalchuk as a Free Agent?
1-5 years, 7 Mil per 18 6.27%
1-5 years, 8 Mil per 33 11.50%
1-5 years, 9 Mil per 20 6.97%
1-5 years, 10 Mil per 5 1.74%
1-5 years, Max dollars 5 1.74%
5-10 years, 7 Mil per 11 3.83%
5-10 years, 8 Mil per 82 28.57%
5-10 years, 9 Mil per 47 16.38%
5-10 years, 10 Mil per 25 8.71%
5-10 years, Max dollars 23 8.01%
Don't want Kovlachuk 11 3.83%
Other (specify below) 7 2.44%
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02-04-2010, 09:59 AM
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Salary cannot decrease by more then 50% of the $ amount of the lower of the first 2 years of the contract

11-11-11-11-11-11-11-11-11-6-1-1-1-1 = cba compliant (and a realistic kovy contract)

11-8-11-6-1 = not compliant

10-10-4-1 = not compliant
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

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OK put it this way:

Top 4 goal scorers in the league:

Ovechkin
Kovalchuk
Gaborik
Heatley

We could have TWO of them.

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Oh, so 11.3 I guess... hmm..

11.3 x6 = 67.8

Then 4 years @ 5m ~ 88

That'd be 8.8m cap hit for 10 years.. maybe add a couple years to get it in the 7's.. either way, Kovy wants 120m over 10-12 years and he will not sign an extension until July 1st at the earliest.

Nevermind!
I laid it out similar to what your saying.

Post #94 above yours 12yrs 84mil 7mil cap hit.
72mil over the first 8yrs or 9mil per.

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02-04-2010, 10:00 AM
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OK put it this way:

Top 4 goal scorers in the league:

Ovechkin
Kovalchuk
Gaborik
Heatley

We could have TWO of them.
It'd be nice to have two 100 point players.. works well in Pittsburgh.

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I REALLY don't want ANY part of renting him. Not for any price honestly (unless it's stupid like Redden lol)

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Having two top 5 goal scorers and a top 5 goaltender in the league all still in their 20's.

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Having two top 5 goal scorers and a top 5 goaltender in the league all still in their 20's.
Surrounded by an AHL cast if Waddel is asking for what Brooks reports.

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Per Brooks...

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Source: price of NYR rental of Ilya is Staal or DelZotto+Callahan or Dubinsky+Kreider or Stepan or Grachev+first rounder=No deal.
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I'm okay with any deal that doesn't include Staal or MDZ. We have no one to replace them, along with Redden or Roszival (who would have to be included in the deal or waived to make room in the cap). The defense would be an unmitigated disaster which would make this season a wash. And with no guarantee he signs long term, I don't think it's worth the risk.

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Per Brooks: Source: price of NYR rental of Ilya is Staal or DelZotto+Callahan or Dubinsky+Kreider or Stepan or Grachev+first rounder=No deal.

For a rental this is absolutely assinine!
This is a ridiculously steep price to pay even if Kovalchuk is assured of resigning with us.
No thanks, try to clear more cap and make a run at him in FA.

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Per Brooks: Source: price of NYR rental of Ilya is Staal or DelZotto+Callahan or Dubinsky+Kreider or Stepan or Grachev+first rounder=No deal.

For a rental this is absolutely assinine!
This is a ridiculously steep price to pay even if Kovalchuk is assured of resigning with us.
No thanks, try to clear more cap and make a run at him in FA.
Agreed.

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Having two top 5 goal scorers and a top 5 goaltender in the league all still in their 20's.
This!

I'm all for waiting until July 1st to sign him, but if it means taking a chance on losing some replaceable players (let's face it dubi/cally are replaceable) to prevent an eatern conference team grabbing him and leading to a long term signing... get it done.

no MDZ or Staal

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Pass. Talk to you on 7/1 Ilya.

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Having two top 5 goal scorers and a top 5 goaltender in the league all still in their 20's.
I'm right behind you. This would finally give us the opportunity to win. 6 solid years of having a chance to win. Get rid of Redden, Rozy, Jokinen and we have plently of salary cap room to sign other role players. Then the prospects hopefully come up.

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Per Brooks: Source: price of NYR rental of Ilya is Staal or DelZotto+Callahan or Dubinsky+Kreider or Stepan or Grachev+first rounder=No deal.
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For a rental this is absolutely assinine!
YES

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This is a ridiculously steep price to pay even if Kovalchuk is assured of resigning with us.
YES

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No thanks, try to clear more cap and make a run at him in FA.
YES

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As mentioned in the previous thread per Lotus, and to avoid any confusion, the rental would cost us:


Staal or Del Zotto + Callahan

OR

Dubinsky + Kreider

OR

Stepan or Grachev + a 1st

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This!

I'm all for waiting until July 1st to sign him, but if it means taking a chance on losing some replaceable players (let's face it dubi/cally are replaceable) to prevent an eatern conference team grabbing him and leading to a long term signing... get it done.
Those three with a ****** enough supporting cast is still a mediocre team. Even if Kovalchul and Gaborik both get 50 goal seasons, the team needs 260-280 total to be a decent offensive team. Who's going to provide that, Drury?

If we lose Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Del Zotto, all our supporting cast, we are, my friend, ****ed, regardless of the fact we have 3 all stars.

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Per Brooks: Source: price of NYR rental of Ilya is Staal or DelZotto+Callahan or Dubinsky+Kreider or Stepan or Grachev+first rounder=No deal.

For a rental this is absolutely assinine!
This is a ridiculously steep price to pay even if Kovalchuk is assured of resigning with us.
No thanks, try to clear more cap and make a run at him in FA
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Okay people lets try and use simple logic for a second.

If we find that price steep, dont you feel it will be the same for other teams?

Now with that being said, if we were to give up that much for a rental, would you not want to make damn sure he is re-signed in the off season regardless of the cost? Yes, so why would any other team be different from us and just let him walk?

Trading Dubinsky Grachev and a 1st at MINIMUM would kill this team if we didnt re-sign him. There would go our #1 center, our #1/2 prospect and our first round pick. As it would if other teams were to put up the same package.

And if any team paying a price that high re-signs him before july first, how the **** do you propose in signing him as a FA?

Because thats not just rental player status, thats crippling a teams prospect/player pool status if not re-tained.

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Source: price of NYR rental of Ilya is Staal or DelZotto+Callahan or Dubinsky+Kreider or Stepan or Grachev+first rounder=No deal.
Lol f that.

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As mentioned in the previous thread per Lotus, an to avoid any confusion, the rental would cost us:


Staal or Del Del Zotto + Callahan

OR

Dubinsky + Kreider or Stepan

OR

Grachev + a 1st
Sorry its

Staal or Del Del Zotto + Callahan

AND

Dubinsky + Kreider or Stepan

AND

Grachev + a 1st

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As mentioned in the previous thread per Lotus, an to avoid any confusion, the rental would cost us:


Staal or Del Del Zotto + Callahan

OR

Dubinsky + Kreider or Stepan

OR

Grachev + a 1st
That's not what it says, it implies one from each choice together. Don't you think if it was as simple as Grachev+1st that Sather would have done it by now?

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"price of NYR rental of Ilya is Staal or DelZotto+Callahan or Dubinsky+Kreider or Stepan or Grachev+first rounder=No deal. "

when broken down it goes like this.

Staal/MDZ
Cally/Dubi
Kreider/Stepan/Grachev
and a 1st

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Having two top 5 goal scorers and a top 5 goaltender in the league all still in their 20's.
... for 3 months

... while subtracting staal or MDZ AND dubi or cally AND stepan or kreider or grachev AND a 1st rounder


no thanks

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Sorry its

Staal or Del Del Zotto + Callahan

AND

Dubinsky + Kreider or Stepan

AND

Grachev + a 1st

I'd do option 3 in a heartbeat. Id even throw in a 4th if the 1st was in '11.

Options 1 and 2 are too steep.

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