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02-03-2010, 04:28 AM
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ending note about toskala...

in the feb 1st interview with jonas (THE MONSTER), the reporter mentions that Vesa did not (chose not) to work with Alaire; given his age and point in his career...


I'm sorry... WTF


we had* an elite top-end goalie coach and a struggling goalie who choses not to take his coaching? that should have been a glaring sign!!!

sorry to bring this up if its old news, or if we just wish to forget the whole vesa saga, however i thought this was interesting... as he wasn't practicing with the monster and sounds like he was barely a mentor at all (thank god??)


this was the first game since the pre-season where i felt like we were a BB team


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02-03-2010, 05:12 AM
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Yeah...well...Hagman says he did not try for the Leafs as much...because he was saving his energy for the Olympics...be a professional and keep your thoughts to yourself...

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Yeah...well...Hagman says he did not try for the Leafs as much...because he was saving his energy for the Olympics...be a professional and keep your thoughts to yourself...

link/source for this?

i know kipper has expressed exactly the opposite.

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02-03-2010, 05:31 AM
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You could see Toskala wasn't too happy about Allaire's arrival in interviews early on. A few too many dismissive facial expressions when asked about what he could learn from Allaire.

If that's the case, then I'm glad he's gone. There was talk of him not practicing hard last season as well. I work in a business where you absolutely have to work on your craft all the time just to maintain your abilities, and even veterans continue to take lessons to brush up on their technique and approach. It just seems silly to me to just chuck in the towel and say, "well I'm too old a dog to learn any new tricks..."

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02-03-2010, 06:10 AM
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link/source for this?

i know kipper has expressed exactly the opposite.
http://watch.tsn.ca/featured/#clip262151

at 1:00

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02-03-2010, 06:43 AM
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You're making a big deal out of nothing. Vesa is poorly equipped physically to play the style that Allaire teaches. He just isn't big enough. It would be a terrible idea for him to try. Instead he worked with our other coach (his name escapes me at the moment).

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02-03-2010, 07:23 AM
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All he said was that thinking about the Olympics got him over the tough times. No one could blame him for that seeing that the leafs were a such depressing situation. Parise said something similar last week. I'm sure every player that is going to the Olympics is thinking about it more then they should. He's just being honest.

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Toskala is ****. That's all you need to say. Best of luck in Anaheim, but glad to see he's gone!

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Here's an endnote to Toskalol:

GTFO! You will not be missed.

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Yeah...well...Hagman says he did not try for the Leafs as much...because he was saving his energy for the Olympics...be a professional and keep your thoughts to yourself...


That upsets me to some degree.

Thank GOD he's not a Leaf any more. Good riddance - hope he gets rag-doll'd again.

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Who was picked with our 1st JFJ used on Toskala? San Jose flipped it again and moved up and picked Couture didnt they?

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Toskala wasn't going to learn Allaire's style, and nor could he. He didn't have the size needed to "block" the puck.

Toskala's former goalie coach, i forget his name, taught the style that Toskala uses passed away a year or two ago.

Giguere struggled without Allaire, it's reasonable to suggest Toskala needed a mentor in his own goaltending style as well.

I don't care, he's in the west now and not our problem.

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02-03-2010, 08:04 AM
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Yeah...well...Hagman says he did not try for the Leafs as much...because he was saving his energy for the Olympics...be a professional and keep your thoughts to yourself...
Another reason why the NHL shouldn't be at the olympics. go away Hagman, no one misses you.

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You're making a big deal out of nothing. Vesa is poorly equipped physically to play the style that Allaire teaches. He just isn't big enough. It would be a terrible idea for him to try. Instead he worked with our other coach (his name escapes me at the moment).
BS. I am sorry - you have a teacher who is there to teach you something. It might not work out perfectly well - (as it works better for taller goalies), but are you going to tell me that EVERYTHING that Allaire teaches (Rebound control, how to direct the pucks into the corner) is limiting to Toskala? Please.

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Who was picked with our 1st JFJ used on Toskala? San Jose flipped it again and moved up and picked Couture didnt they?
They flipped it as well, but I think St. Louis ended up using our pick to take Eller.

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the impression i get is that vesa felt he didn't need the help, it's silly but his choice...

what i thought was interesting was Gustavsson saying that now with Giggy here, there really is going to be competition... it's already been documented that Gustavsson is a hard worker (stays for extra practice) and that is something Giggy is well known for as well... these two should work out and Gustavsson can now go back to the schedule they discussed prior to him even signing with the leafs...

in the end, he will sign a new contract and my guess, if using hiller as a comparable for his previous contract, it should be around 1.3-1.5 mil per season

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Another reason why the NHL shouldn't be at the olympics. go away Hagman, no one misses you.



BS. I am sorry - you have a teacher who is there to teach you something. It might not work out perfectly well - (as it works better for taller goalies), but are you going to tell me that EVERYTHING that Allaire teaches (Rebound control, how to direct the pucks into the corner) is limiting to Toskala? Please.
Have to agree with you here. Allaire is a world renown goaltending coach. Regardless of what Toskala thought of Allaire's style, he should have at least heard him out and worked with him. He could've learned a thing or two.

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Who was picked with our 1st JFJ used on Toskala? San Jose flipped it again and moved up and picked Couture didnt they?
correct.
We had the 13th (Lars Eller). San Jose flipped that pick and a 2nd rounder (Aaron Palushaj) to St.Louis for the 9th (Logan Couture).

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What a piece of dirt. Later you ignorant, no heart, classless puke.

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Have to agree with you here. Allaire is a world renown goaltending coach. Regardless of what Toskala thought of Allaire's style, he should have at least heard him out and worked with him. He could've learned a thing or two.
Like, I don't know..
How to stop the puck, rebound control, and how to play outside his crease? the 3 things Toskala struggled with.

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02-03-2010, 08:24 AM
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its one thing being terrible and letting weak goals in but its another to have a bad attitude at the same time.. he always seemed like he thought he was above hard work and competing for his place.

Totally embodied the culture of entitlement, thank god hes gone !

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BS. I am sorry - you have a teacher who is there to teach you something. It might not work out perfectly well - (as it works better for taller goalies), but are you going to tell me that EVERYTHING that Allaire teaches (Rebound control, how to direct the pucks into the corner) is limiting to Toskala? Please.
I'm sorry man but you're off the mark on this one. Allaire teaches a comprehensive style. Allaire teaches a reliance upon body position. His goalies "block" shots rather than relying on their reflexes to make saves. You absolutely have to be a big guy to play it effectively. It really is different from traditional schools of thought. Theres just too much room over Toskala's shoulders were he to try. Vesa, becasue of his size is forced to come way out, farther than most keepers, to cut down the angle. You won't see as much of that from Gus or J.S.

Toskala began the year training with him but found that he wasn't able to play it effectively. That's one of the reasons the Leafs also have Corey Hirsch on staff as well. He worked with Vesa. This is a decision that the entire team supported. It's not as if Vesa just said "screw this".

Look, Vesa is a crappy #1 goalie. The witch hunt isn't necessary.

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02-03-2010, 08:33 AM
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I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I was shocked how bad he turned out for Toronto. He was the one of the worst goalies in the league in back to back seasons. I don't think anyone expected that when the Leafs traded for him.

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**** you Hagman you puke.

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side note: do you guys really say the word puke or is that just cause we can't swear on here?

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i remember that at one point in the season early on, when we were really bad (i know, could be any point) toskala said that he was just going to play his way. I took that to mean that he was working with Allaire, but was sucking, so he stopped working with him...and continued to suck.

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