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02-04-2010, 10:40 AM
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I'm a bit confused over the waiver process, as I understood it, if a player is picked up on re-entry, that team only has to pay half of the salary cap hit for that given year, but then the following years it goes back to the original cap hit.

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Andrew Cogliano + Shawn Horcoff for Randy Jones and Colten Teubert

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02-04-2010, 10:42 AM
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Andrew Cogliano + Shawn Horcoff for Randy Jones and Colten Teubert
I would do it.

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02-04-2010, 10:45 AM
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Worst contract in the NHL...good luck moving it.

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02-04-2010, 10:56 AM
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I'm a bit confused over the waiver process, as I understood it, if a player is picked up on re-entry, that team only has to pay half of the salary cap hit for that given year, but then the following years it goes back to the original cap hit.

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No, I think it goes on for the length of the contract. I'm pretty sure Dallas still has half of Avery's contract on their books.

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02-04-2010, 11:02 AM
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No, I think it goes on for the length of the contract. I'm pretty sure Dallas still has half of Avery's contract on their books.
If that's the case, I can see Burke being interested in a deal for Horcoff.

It would have to be something based around we give you Finger for X player or X draft pick, you put Horcoff on waivers, he passes through, you put him on re-entry and we pick him up. Although it would have to be well known that Horcoff would make it to Toronto so they could pick him up.

The Maple Leafs take the hit long-term (but at a reduced price) but rid themselves of Finger in the process which opens up the necessary room to take on Horcoff.

Not sure how well that would work on Edmonton's side, but who knows. The way Burke talks about past deals, it's the type of deal I can see him making.

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02-04-2010, 11:06 AM
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If that's the case, I can see Burke being interested in a deal for Horcoff.

It would have to be something based around we give you Finger for X player or X draft pick, you put Horcoff on waivers, he passes through, you put him on re-entry and we pick him up. Although it would have to be well known that Horcoff would make it to Toronto so they could pick him up.

The Maple Leafs take the hit long-term (but at a reduced price) but rid themselves of Finger in the process which opens up the necessary room to take on Horcoff.

Not sure how well that would work on Edmonton's side, but who knows. The way Burke talks about past deals, it's the type of deal I can see him making.
Maybe, but I think Horcoff at 2.75 (or so) is a better deal than Finger at 3.5. Odds are if Burke takes him on re-entry the Leafs won't be able to deal Finger.

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Andrew Cogliano + Shawn Horcoff for Randy Jones and Colten Teubert

1. Jones can't be traded since he was claimed on re-entry waivers
2. No from the Kings
3. Please stop making the rest of the Kings fanbase look bad with your ridiculous proposals.

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02-04-2010, 11:08 AM
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Maybe, but I think Horcoff at 2.75 (or so) is a better deal than Finger at 3.5. Odds are if Burke takes him on re-entry the Leafs won't be able to deal Finger.
The deal would be made before he's put on waivers. Meaning the Maple Leafs will take on the extent of Horcoff's contract, if you eat Fingers contract over a shorter term.

It would also have to be known that he would pass through waivers both times (meaning he has no value even for free), in order for the deal to work. Maybe a condition added that if he is picked up by someone else, Edmonton gets X prospect or pick.

A lot of variables and question marks, but that's the only way I can see it happening.

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02-04-2010, 11:15 AM
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1. Jones can't be traded since he was claimed on re-entry waivers
2. No from the Kings
3. Please stop making the rest of the Kings fanbase look bad with your ridiculous proposals.
I actually assumed he was an Oilers fan.

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Finger for Horcoff plus your first, say what you want about Finger, its not THAT bad of a contract compared to Horcoff's, especially since all Horcoff can really do is provide offense, and hes not.
somebody ban this clown. good god.

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02-04-2010, 12:21 PM
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Waive Horcoff instead and you get Cogliano for an extra $2m per year out of MLSE's pocket.

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02-04-2010, 12:37 PM
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I'd do it from the Leafs perspective.
Then the Leafs should be thankful you aren't running the team... The only benefit to Horcoff is that he's capable of having a season-ending injury at any given moment, thus ridding you of that ridiculous cap hit for such a useless player.

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02-04-2010, 12:44 PM
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Then the Leafs should be thankful you aren't running the team... The only benefit to Horcoff is that he's capable of having a season-ending injury at any given moment, thus ridding you of that ridiculous cap hit for such a useless player.
Funny, Jeff Finger doesn't even have that going for him.

Anyways, Cogliano is a good player, the Leafs could use him. And really, if things got that bad down the road they could send Horcoff to the minors. They're already debating it with Finger (although that's been put on hold now that Komisarek is out for the year).

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Horcoff + 2nd + Cogliano for Finger?

No thanks. Burke doesn't beleive in long term contracts. If he did he would have given Kessel 6yrs+.

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Andrew Cogliano + Shawn Horcoff for Randy Jones and Colten Teubert
Why in the world would the Kings do this deal?

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02-04-2010, 01:24 PM
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Funny, Jeff Finger doesn't even have that going for him.

Anyways, Cogliano is a good player, the Leafs could use him. And really, if things got that bad down the road they could send Horcoff to the minors. They're already debating it with Finger (although that's been put on hold now that Komisarek is out for the year).
Doesn't Horcoff have a NMC? Plus, when the Leafs need to find a number 1 centre to play with Kessel and just took on Phaneuf's 6.5 million dollar cap hit, you don't need to be wasting space with the worst contract in the league. Especially when all you get out of it is Andrew Cogliano.

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02-04-2010, 02:11 PM
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the oilers would never waive horcoff, if they did would they ever get a veteran player to sign? also the worst contract has to be any player who no longer plays for the team but still gets payed, eg. laraque, raycroft...is it better to own the player you pay or have him shut the door for 2 periods and beat u whilst you pay him?

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Doesn't Horcoff have a NMC? Plus, when the Leafs need to find a number 1 centre to play with Kessel and just took on Phaneuf's 6.5 million dollar cap hit, you don't need to be wasting space with the worst contract in the league. Especially when all you get out of it is Andrew Cogliano.
He has a NTC for the next two or three seasons. Anyways, all you do by adding Horcoff is add 2 mil in cap hit and add some term. That strikes me as a small price to pay considering we shift a cap liability to a position of need, and receive two valuable pieces for doing so - Cogliano is a fantastic young player who would get a shot in our top six, and the Oilers 2nd round pick would make up for the loss of our own 2nd.

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02-04-2010, 04:01 PM
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But remember, Horcoff can't be put on waivers. He has a no movement clause.

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But remember, Horcoff can't be put on waivers. He has a no movement clause.
I'm pretty sure he has a NTC. Every site I've seen (NHLSCAP, etc.) seems to say that's what he has.

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