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02-05-2010, 11:37 PM
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Playoffs start after the regular season ends. In other words, after the Leafs season ends, better teams have a playoff.
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02-05-2010, 11:38 PM
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And that proves how immature you really are. GROW UP.
Alright we'll see who's wrong and who's right. He goes for a late second round pick at most. More likely for a third round pick and he goes there and does nothing. Proving my point that he's not a 50-60 point a year player. And signs in the offseason with some other bottom feeding team that pays him his 3-3.5 million dollars that burke would have to be drunk to give him.

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02-05-2010, 11:41 PM
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Alright we'll see who's wrong and who's right. He goes for a late second round pick at most. More likely for a third round pick and he goes there and does nothing. Proving my point that he's not a 50-60 point a year player. And signs in the offseason with some other bottom feeding team that pays him his 3-3.5 million dollars that burke would have to be drunk to give him.
You are, plain and simple, an idiot. How many points did he have last year? What's he on pace for this year? Christ.

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02-05-2010, 11:42 PM
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Riddle me this, does he score 60 points when he gets traded to the pens and he's on the third line (where he's supposed to be) I dont think so and if you do I suggest booking a cat-scan for that already small brain of yours
He'd play on either Crosby or Malkin's wing...that's the only reason Pittsburgh wold trade for him...they don't have any top 6 wingers asides from Guerin, who has 16 goals/19 assists. They're next best wingers are Pascal Dupuis with 12 goals/12 assists, Cooke with 11 and 11, and Fedetenko with 8 and 14. I think they might rather Poni and his 19 goals/21 assists than at least one of those guys.

Edit: I'm sorry, I forgot about Kunitz...he's got 6 goals/14 assists in only 30 games...so that'd be more like 14 goals/26 assists in 57 games...so Pittsburgh has 2 decent wingers.

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02-05-2010, 11:45 PM
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You are, plain and simple, an idiot. How many points did he have last year? What's he on pace for this year? Christ.
He also played on the first line last year you idiot because we had no one else. HE'S NOT A TOP 6 FORWARD, BURKE SAID SO LAST YEAR. Antropov was the only true top 6 guy. Before last year his highest total was 45. SOMEONE HAS TO SCORE

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02-05-2010, 11:49 PM
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He also played on the first line last year you idiot because we had no one else. HE'S NOT A TOP 6 FORWARD, BURKE SAID SO LAST YEAR. Antropov was the only true top 6 guy. Before last year his highest total was 45. SOMEONE HAS TO SCORE
Go to NHL.com and look up how many minutes per game he played. I'll give you a clue - it's somewhere around 16. That isn't even close to first line minutes.

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02-05-2010, 11:52 PM
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No he didn't. He had 30 goal seasons before Thornton, injuries are what ruined him.
Not true. The word seasons implies that he did it more than once, when in fact he's only scored more than 30 twice.

2002-03 San Jose Sharks NHL 66 9 7 16 39 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 San Jose Sharks NHL 81 28 19 47 33 17 4 6 10 10
2004-05 HV71 Jonkoping SEL 20 5 0 5 10 -- -- -- -- --
2005-06 San Jose Sharks NHL 82 56 37 93 58 11 4 5 9 8
2006-07 San Jose Sharks NHL 76 37 32 69 69 11 3 3 6 6
2007-08 San Jose Sharks NHL 69 23 14 37 46 13 4 4 8 4
2008-09 San Jose Sharks NHL 66 12 17 29 59 6 1 1 2 4
2009-10 Ottawa Senators NHL 58 5 8 13 20

His only 30 goal seasons came while Thornton arrived in SJ with 57 and 37 goals. The year before Thornton arrived he scored 28. The last time I checked 28<30.

Now to compare him to Hoglund is a stretch, Cheechoo was considered an up and coming player in the NHL before Thornton arrived and did score 56. I don't care who you are, if you scored 56 in the nhl you have to be doing something right. No one on SJ has scored that many since with Thornton.

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02-05-2010, 11:54 PM
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He also played on the first line last year you idiot because we had no one else. HE'S NOT A TOP 6 FORWARD, BURKE SAID SO LAST YEAR. Antropov was the only true top 6 guy. Before last year his highest total was 45. SOMEONE HAS TO SCORE
He is a top 6 forward whether you like it or not.

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Go to NHL.com and look up how many minutes per game he played. I'll give you a clue - it's somewhere around 16. That isn't even close to first line minutes.
Actually it's 14 which is also what hossa averages. I'm guessing you would rather have poni? Thats cool i'll take hossa

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Actually it's 14 which is also what hossa averages. I'm guessing you would rather have poni? Thats cool i'll take hossa
Hossa nearly played 18 minutes a game last year, Poni played under 16. Where are you getting 14 from?

Edit: And in case you want to talk about this year, Poni is playing just under 17, while Hossa is playing 19 minutes a game. And yes, obviously, I'd take Hossa, who wouldn't. Hossa is a legit first line forward, Poni is a top six forward who produces fairly well, despite getting low TOI.

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But wouldn't a true top six guy be commanding more than 16 minutes? Even Bozak is playing 17

Obviously Wilson would rather have other guys on the ice

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He also played on the first line last year you idiot because we had no one else. HE'S NOT A TOP 6 FORWARD, BURKE SAID SO LAST YEAR. Antropov was the only true top 6 guy. Before last year his highest total was 45. SOMEONE HAS TO SCORE
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But wouldn't a true top six guy be commanding more than 16 minutes? Even Bozak is playing 17

Obviously Wilson would rather have other guys on the ice
Okay, so let me get this straight.

He's scoring because he's getting first line minutes on a bad team, except he's not getting minutes, which means he sucks.

Don't you see the problem here? You don't like Ponikarovsky, and you're grasping at straws to justify it. It's ridiculous.

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02-06-2010, 12:17 AM
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I'd say a second and a prospect, just a second would be the bare minimum, because a guy who consistently score 20+ goals is worth more than a second I think, sometimes seconds don't pan out

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He also played on the first line last year you idiot because we had no one else. HE'S NOT A TOP 6 FORWARD, BURKE SAID SO LAST YEAR. Antropov was the only true top 6 guy. Before last year his highest total was 45. SOMEONE HAS TO SCORE
Wow. This is dumb. One thing you may not understand, there are teams in this league that plain and simply can not score. Saying "SOMEONE HAS TO SCORE" is quite moronic, considering these teams are in contention of winning the cup. Ponikoravski getting points is not a fluke. So many times have i seen him attack a defender with the puck, strip him of it and take it to the net and score. This guy is able to play and feed off of his team as well add an individual touch to his game. Considering how many first and second rounders that flop at the draft, this guy is much more valuable on a short and long term basis.

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Haha SchennForCaptain is getting pwnt

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My guess would be Pits First rounder 5 minutes before the deadline, or something I can't comprehend that would send a young centre to toronto for poni + don't know what the + would be because were pretty bare unless we give up our prospects and I don't like that idea.

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I posted this in the Leafs forum:
Think of this from a Leafs Perspective:

Trade a:
6'04
220 Pound
Fast for his size
player with decent hands
player thats hard to knock of the puck
player that works well along the boards
player that hits
+ player on the LEAFS
25 goal scorer
55-60 point getter
under the age of 30 (turning 30 soon)
stepped up as a leader the last couple of seasons
Loves the city of Toronto

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a 2nd round pick.

Tough choice from a Leafs POV


I honestly feel that Ponikarovsky is underrated. Not only that, but I beleive its very important for competitive teams to have big players like Ponikarovsky in their top six. Its a HUGE asset.

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Rangers give you Redden and a 4th rounder for poni

Dont say know. Glenn has pulled off biggesr things as of late

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Rangers give you Redden and a 4th rounder for poni

Dont say know. Glenn has pulled off biggesr things as of late
you do know that Burke just got Dion Phaneuf, Sjostrom, and one of Calgary's top prospects for a bunch of depth guys, right?

And he also got Giguere for Blake and Toskala...

If you're dealing Redden to the Leafs, you're probably gonna be packaging him with one of MDZ, Grachev, Staal, etc. Burke won't take on such a ****** contract for nothing.

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Poni to Pittsburgh for their 1st makes the most sense. He steps in as the top winger on that team, and that pick will likely be in the 29-30 range.

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Rangers give you Redden and a 4th rounder for poni
Burke gives you the finger (Not Finger).

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Like I said and agree with Glucker it jsut makes too much sense for pits and Tor he First rounder for poni and he jumps on the teamas the best winger but with 10 teams calling we might get a better offer. . . .Just sayin

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Where have you been this year? Also how many game have you watched because I've watched 90% of them and in every game he takes a horrible penalty. Most of which come in the third period.
8 of his 21 have come in the third. not even half

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'Nucks will give you Hansen and the negotiating rights for Mats Sundin.

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Like I said and agree with Glucker it jsut makes too much sense for pits and Tor he First rounder for poni and he jumps on the teamas the best winger but with 10 teams calling we might get a better offer. . . .Just sayin
how bout

To toronto:
pitts
1st round 2010
2nd round 2010


To Pits
Poni
Toronto 2nd 2010

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