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12-12-2014, 12:44 PM
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GM Mode: Expiring Contracts

This might be premature but I want to discuss the TWENTY expiring contracts over the next two years, who GM Murray might want to extend and for how long/much. The next two years should determine the longterm course of this team (barring any trades or signings which are bound to happen). Let me know if I should include any other information.

Name - (Signed Through), Cap, Position, Age at Contract Expiration

Beleskey - (14-15), $1,350,000, LW, 27
Heatley - (14-15), $1,000,000, LW, 34
Silfverberg - (14-15), $850,000, RW, 24
Jackman - (14-15), $637,500, RW, 33
Kesler - (15-16), $5,000,000, C, 32
Bourque - (15-16), $3,333,333, LW, 34
Palmieri - (15-16), $1,466,667, RW, 25
Rakell - (15-16), $894,167, C, 23
Smith-Pelly - (15-16), $800,000, RW, 24

Souray - (14-15), $3,666,667, LD, 39
Beauchemin - (14-15), $3,500,000, LD, 35
Brewer - (14-15), $2,867,500, LD, 36
Robak - (14-15), $675,000, LD, 25
Vatanen - (15-16), $1,262,500, RD, 25
Lovejoy - (15-16), $1,100,000, RD, 32
Lindholm - (15-16), $894,167, LD, 22

Bryzgalov - (14-15), $2,880,000, G, 35
LaBarbera - (14-15), $750,000, G, 35
Andersen - (15-16), $1,150,000, G, 26
Gibson - (15-16), $721,667, G, 23

*Italics indicate RFA status at contract expiration
**Order: Position -> Year of Contract Expiration -> Cap

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12-12-2014, 02:41 PM
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Gone for sure: Heatley, Bourque, Souray, Brewer, Bryz, Labarbera

Will be re-signed for sure IMO: Silfverberg (3 years X 8.5 million), Palmieri (3 years X 8 million), Rakell (2 years X 1.8 million), DSP (3 years X 6 million), Vatanen (4 years X 17 million), Lindholm (4 years X 18 million), Andersen, Gibson

Not sure about Kesler, Beleskey, Beauch, Jackman, Robak, Lovejoy


Lindholm, Silf, Vatanen are going to get pretty significant raises
I think they'll definitely try to bring back Kesler and Beleskey

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12-12-2014, 02:58 PM
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Gone for sure: Heatley, Bourque, Souray, Brewer, Bryz, Labarbera

Will be re-signed for sure IMO: Silfverberg (3 years X 8.5 million), Palmieri (3 years X 8 million), Rakell (2 years X 1.8 million), DSP (3 years X 6 million), Vatanen (4 years X 17 million), Lindholm (4 years X 18 million), Andersen, Gibson

Not sure about Kesler, Beleskey, Beauch, Jackman, Robak, Lovejoy


Lindholm, Silf, Vatanen are going to get pretty significant raises
I think they'll definitely try to bring back Kesler and Beleskey
Agree with all of the above. I think Beauch re-signs here too.

Will be interesting to see what happens with Kesler. Right now he's not quite at his peak but still in his prime. He has had a lot of injuries though and style wise plays a very hard game. Do they sign him to a deal with term and risk a sharp decline or do they try and lock him up for a couple of years? And depending on how much Kesler wants to win may dictate whether he stays as on the open market he will get paid both in term and $$$.

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Just for 2014-2015:

Predicted Net Cap Change:
- $1,000,000 (Heatley)
- $3,670,000 (Souray)
- $2,870,000 (Brewer)
- $2,880,000 (Bryzgalov)

+ $3,300,000 (Beleskey)
+ $2,750,000 (Silfverberg)
+ $650,000 (Jackman)
+ $3,500,000 (Beauchemin)
+ $750,000 (LaBarbera)

= $530,000 cap increase

I excluded Robak because I'm not sure if we can sign him to a 2-way contract. If we can, I would sign him for extra depth. I would give LaBarbera a two-way contract extension because he's cheap and reliable.

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12-12-2014, 03:08 PM
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Beauchemin in terms of price will be interesting. On the open market he easily gets Orpik money (with maybe less term). But Murray is very good at keeping re-signings down and got him at a steal last time. And he may want to take a home town discount.

That being said with Stoner earning $3.5M how can you justify offering Beauchemin less than $4M at least?

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In fairness to Beauch, he's at least worth Orpik money, unlike Orpik.

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When does Lindholm lose his RFA status?

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I thought I'd tackle each one in the original post:

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This might be premature but I want to discuss the TWENTY expiring contracts over the next two years, who GM Murray might want to extend and for how long/much. The next two years should determine the longterm course of this team (barring any trades or signings which are bound to happen). Let me know if I should include any other information.

Name - (Signed Through), Cap, Position, Age at Contract Expiration

Beleskey - (14-15), $1,350,000, LW, 27 (wish we could keep him but he's priced out)
Heatley - (14-15), $1,000,000, LW, 34 (I would be shocked if he's re-signed)
Silfverberg - (14-15), $850,000, RW, 24 (3-4 years between 2.5-3 mil if he keeps at his scoring pace)
Jackman - (14-15), $637,500, RW, 33 (I don't see why another one-year, low figure contract wouldn't be in order)
Kesler - (15-16), $5,000,000, C, 32 (priority re-sign. Hopefully not too much of a jump in salary. 3-4 years 6-7 mil a season)
Bourque - (15-16), $3,333,333, LW, 34 (definitely not re-signed. not confident he'll play out his contract with us)
Palmieri - (15-16), $1,466,667, RW, 25 (if he keeps scoring at a decent rate he'll be a 4-5 million dollar winger. Not sure we can afford him at that point)
Rakell - (15-16), $894,167, C, 23 (bridge contract if he hasn't been traded. 2-3 years around 2)
Smith-Pelly - (15-16), $800,000, RW, 24 (see Palmieri; not sure we keep both after their contracts are up)

Souray - (14-15), $3,666,667, LD, 39 (gone)
Beauchemin - (14-15), $3,500,000, LD, 35 (I'm afraid he won't be back. If Murray is looking for a legit, right-handed d-man it's Frankie's spot that they'll need to take)
Brewer - (14-15), $2,867,500, LD, 36 (gone)
Robak - (14-15), $675,000, LD, 25 (unless he plays the majority of games the rest of the way he's actually an unrestricted free agent; gone.)
Vatanen - (15-16), $1,262,500, RD, 25 (he's going to get paid. If he maintains a 50-60 point pace each of these two years we're looking at least 5 mil a season)
Lovejoy - (15-16), $1,100,000, RD, 32 (with Manson in the pipeline I think next year will be it for Rev)
Lindholm - (15-16), $894,167, LD, 22 (see Vatanen)

Bryzgalov - (14-15), $2,880,000, G, 35 (gone)
LaBarbera - (14-15), $750,000, G, 35 (gone)
Andersen - (15-16), $1,150,000, G, 26 (he'll get a big raise either from us or whomever we may trade him too.)
Gibson - (15-16), $721,667, G, 23 (if he can stay out of the minors and healthy, see Andersen)

*Italics indicate RFA status at contract expiration
**Order: Position -> Year of Contract Expiration -> Cap

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My gut tells me Beleskey resigns. Sure, he can get about $4mil on the open market but I see him signing a $13 million deal ~ 4years/$3.25mil.

Silfverberg will get a healthy raise. I'd expect a contract similar to Cogliano's.

Jackman deserves to be resigned.

I'd like to have Palmieri but not for more than $4million a season.

I'd sign DSP for between $2-3 million... a deal similar to Maroon's contract.

A healthy Mark Fistric makes Robak redundant.

Overall, I think GMBM will be able to sign everyone he wants and stay within our internal budget.

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Just for 2014-2015:

Predicted Net Cap Change:
- $1,000,000 (Heatley)
- $3,670,000 (Souray)
- $2,870,000 (Brewer)
- $2,880,000 (Bryzgalov)

+ $3,300,000 (Beleskey)
+ $2,750,000 (Silfverberg)
+ $650,000 (Jackman)
+ $3,500,000 (Beauchemin)
+ $750,000 (LaBarbera)

= $530,000 cap increase

I excluded Robak because I'm not sure if we can sign him to a 2-way contract. If we can, I would sign him for extra depth. I would give LaBarbera a two-way contract extension because he's cheap and reliable.
Can't include Souray in calculations, he doesn't count against the cap right now anyways.

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12-12-2014, 11:31 PM
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When does Lindholm lose his RFA status?
27, I believe.

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Can't include Souray in calculations, he doesn't count against the cap right now anyways.
I understand he's classified as LTIR


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Ahh you're right. Consider it a null point
No he's not right, Souray absolutely counts against the cap right now.

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Fowler got 20 million over 5 years, Hampus gets the same. If Sami keeps putting up points he might as well get into that range too.

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Fowler got 20 million over 5 years, Hampus gets the same. If Sami keeps putting up points he might as well get into that range too.
That seems to be the going rate league-wide, but I have a feeling Hampus will get more. Different caps, and Hampus will probably have proven more when his deal's up.

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There's a whole lot of variables involved and it will be quite interesting this summer. Going into next year we should still have a team that is a cup contender. I'd like to see Bob make an effort to keep Belesky. But I think the key signing this summer needs to be Kesler. If we don't sign him going into next season, the rumor mills will be flying regarding him. (His NTC was invalidated after the trade here, correct?). And if Bob doesn't think he can sign him, would he trade him? The team doesn't really need that hanging over it's head, so signing him this summer would be a big deal (no pun intended).

I've said this before but it bears repeating, Bob has to trade one or more of our prospects/young vets. They can't/won't all make it here and it would be nice to get something for them.

The RFAs, we can wait until their current deals run out. Take the full 2 years to continue evaluate the ones that may cost the most (Lindholm, Gibson, Andersen, and Vatanen).

The D position is going to be really tough. With Hampus, Sami, Stoner, and Fowler locks to be here, who do you want for the last 2 jobs? I'd like to see Beauch stay but at his age, if somebody throws an Orpik contract at him I don't know if we would want to match that. Manson was impressive but just how many young D men can you play regularly and expect to compete for the cup? And if Beauch leaves, we really need to add more talented grit (no more Stoners/Allens). With the 4 givens, I'd really like a solid vet like Beauch to be here. Lovejoy looks like he could be the odd man out, but if so I'd like to see us get something for him and not just let him walk.

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NTCs normally transfer over. I think it's only if they are traded before a new contract kicks in the new team has the option to not keep the NTC.

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Beauchemin in terms of price will be interesting. On the open market he easily gets Orpik money (with maybe less term). But Murray is very good at keeping re-signings down and got him at a steal last time. And he may want to take a home town discount.

That being said with Stoner earning $3.5M how can you justify offering Beauchemin less than $4M at least?
The thing about Beauch is that he'll be 35 come July 1, which means he his contract counts against the cap if he retires. IMO no way he's getting more than 3 years, too much risk, especially coming off a season where he's had two different spells on the IR and where so many teams have cap issues.

He's also bonus eligible, but IMO that won't matter unless he wants to take a one year deal, which I don't consider likely.

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NTCs normally transfer over. I think it's only if they are traded before a new contract kicks in the new team has the option to not keep the NTC.
I don't think they do. Isn't that the case that Lubo lost when we traded him to the Isles?

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unless we can dump stoner, i think we are going to have to let lovejoy walk, who is going to get a decent raise. manson will be ready for full time duty next year....just another side effect of a terrible move.

i am presuming we will sign beauch, it simply becomes a numbers game.

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unless we can dump stoner, i think we are going to have to let lovejoy walk, who is going to get a decent raise. manson will be ready for full time duty next year....just another side effect of a terrible move.

i am presuming we will sign beauch, it simply becomes a numbers game.
In the pursuit of a RH partner for Fowler, I think the Rev was always going to go to make way for that. He's a good defenseman, but his biggest asset to this team is his chemistry with Fowler. I don't think they were ever going to keep him to be Hampus' partner, he just works too well with Beauch.

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unless we can dump stoner, i think we are going to have to let lovejoy walk, who is going to get a decent raise. manson will be ready for full time duty next year....just another side effect of a terrible move.
Lovejoy has another year on his contract.

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I think that Heater, Bork, Souray, Bryz & Labarbera will not return after their contracts are up.

Obviously BM will try to sign all of the youngins. Of course, somebody may price themselves off the team or someone might be traded before an extension is needed, but at the moment I'd imagine they all get extended.

Then there are Lovejoy, Robak and Jackman. Jackman has been quite serviceable in his role, so I could see him get extended for a couple of years, assuming that isn't too costly. I have a gut feeling that Robak and Lovejoy will be gone after their deals end. Robak just doesn't have a future with this team IMO and I could see Lovejoy going for a cash grab move and I wouldn't blame him at all for doing that. I also don't think we have a roster spot for the Rev after the 15-16 season as Manson and Theodore will make a push for roster spots then.

Then there are the tough choices with Kesler, Beauchemin and Beleskey, upcoming UFAs who are due for a payday. I really don't know what to do with Kesler as I imagine his extension would be costly as ****. The guy is an absolute monster and fits this team really well, but I doubt the management's willingness to give that kind of dollars to him. Don't know whether he would be willing to take a discount.

Beauchemin is also a tricky one. The guy is still a rock-solid top 4 d-man despite father time cathing up to him. At the moment I think we have nobody in our system who could replace him. On the open market he would get Orpik money, which is something Anaheim likely wouldn't pay him. However he is a bit of a franchise guy and he has never indicated a desire to leave, so he might stay on a discount. Of course, this could be his last big contract and therefore he might go for that retirement money and I wouldn't blame him one bit for doing that.

Lastly there's Beleskey, who will be getting his first big contract as an UFA. He was always going to get a big raise to what he currently makes, but his recent scoring spree might cause him to get really, really big bucks. He is a guy that might either price himself out of the team and/or get a massive deal somewhere else. Again I wouldn't blame him for that, he has been a very serviceable, cheap player for us and he deserves the money he is going to get. Of course, a hometown discount is not entirely out of the picture. Down in Norfolk, Max Friberg is a guy who could take Beleskey's spot should Bells decide to grab the money.

Ultimately, I think that only 2 out of Kesler, Beleskey and Beauchemin will stay with the team long-term. Just too much money going to these 3 guys. Murray is a damn wizard should he be able to get them all extended on good deals.

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27, I believe.
27 or 7 years in the NHL, whichever comes first. So with Hampus it'll be 26.

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27 or 7 years in the NHL, whichever comes first. So with Hampus it'll be 26.
Joe, what contract would you try to sign Hampus to? Would you give him a bridge contract that keeps him as an RFA or would you give him a longterm, big money contract sooner rather than later?

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