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02-06-2010, 06:44 PM
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lol leafs say no thanks
Sharks say no too. Give up all that for pretty much just Kaberle no deal.

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02-06-2010, 06:50 PM
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Setoguchi and Ponikarovsky for Kunitz, Caputi, and a 2nd? Sign me up.

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Both Seto and Clowe? No thanks.

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02-06-2010, 07:07 PM
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Do any Sharks fan ever take Joe Thornton into account when evaluating their players? They really should...

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02-06-2010, 07:15 PM
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That's not actually much of an overpayment. Maybe drop Tangradi. Outside of that, young RFA 30 goal scorers don't grow on trees. The closest comparable to Setoguchi is Kessel, who got two lottery picks in return. Setoguchi is not worth that much, but will easily score 30 goals playing with Crosby and would immediately be your best winger. The issue with superroyain's proposal is the trade for Kaberle. IMO, Kaberle is not worth that much unless you're a team with tons of cap space. The Sharks need to avoid making their roster older than it already is in order to remain contenders. Furthermore the drop off from Kaberle to Goligoski is not worth Kaberle's increased cap hit and the increased injury risk that comes with age.
Why not add Crosby, Malkin, and Staal to the mix, hell why not Fleury aswell. Shero is not dumb, he is not going to give up that package for Seto alone.

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02-06-2010, 07:18 PM
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Gogo is effectively Pittsburgh's number three defenseman. Without him, they have only three legit top-4 guys, one who has consistency issues (Letang) and one who has injury issues (Gonchar). Considering Gonchar may leave soon, Pittsburgh also needs Gogo for his offensive contributions from the point...basically they would be filling one hole but opening up another...
True, but it's a cap era and you can't exactly have everyone you want. Gogo only goes if Gonchar stays 1-2 more years. You also don't need 3 offensive defensemen, 2 is a good number, but 3 IMO is too many. IMO Pens need only 2 O dmen, and 4 D dmen.

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02-06-2010, 07:24 PM
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Seto for Letang and Caputi. Additional picks either way are negotiable.

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02-06-2010, 07:52 PM
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Pens love this trade...the other teams get screwed.

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Pens love this trade...the other teams get screwed.
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Toronto loses huge on this. Burke has said a 1st, prospect and pick alone for Kabs. There is no way Clowe, Kunitz and a third will do that deal. Pens make out like bandits and go on to win another Cup.

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02-06-2010, 10:05 PM
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Shero muffles the phone to cover up his laughter, then texts back "done deal."

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Seto for Letang and Caputi. Additional picks either way are negotiable.
Maybe if it's a 1st coming from San Jose. Setoguchi's value isn't exactly through the roof right now.

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02-06-2010, 10:12 PM
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Do any Sharks fan ever take Joe Thornton into account when evaluating their players? They really should...
And here I thought that Crosby was actually reasonably close to Thornton in playmaking ability, (at least that's what all these Pens fans tell me).

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Why not add Crosby, Malkin, and Staal to the mix, hell why not Fleury aswell. Shero is not dumb, he is not going to give up that package for Seto alone.
Setoguchi is on a 25 goal pace playing with Pavelski and Malhotra. If you don't think that playing with Crosby would add at least 5 goals to that total, I don't think you're a Pens fan. And a 30 goal scoring winner who's just coming off an ELC and won't be overpaid is extremely valuable. IMO, Caputi+1st+Kunitz is entirely reasonable for him.

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02-06-2010, 10:23 PM
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And here I thought that Crosby was actually reasonably close to Thornton in playmaking ability, (at least that's what all these Pens fans tell me).


Setoguchi is on a 25 goal pace playing with Pavelski and Malhotra. If you don't think that playing with Crosby would add at least 5 goals to that total, I don't think you're a Pens fan. And a 30 goal scoring winner who's just coming off an ELC and won't be overpaid is extremely valuable. IMO, Caputi+1st+Kunitz is entirely reasonable for him.
I think you forgot Tangradi? I'll definatly keep Caputi, 1st, Kunitz, and Tangradi. We need those, and we are not helping you guys out at all. You aint getting a package like that from any GM not named Sutter, Wadell, etc.

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02-06-2010, 10:32 PM
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I could see this:

Setoguchi for a 1st, Kunitz, Caputi, Tangrandi

- Is a high price, but Setoguchi is a 23-year-old 30-goal scorer. Pittsburgh is getting him for the long-haul (not your typical rental-trade)...

Above package (- Kunitz) + Derek Joslin to Toronto for Kaberle

- Burke has done a fairly good job of laying the ground-work for a SC-contending team. They have a star goalie (Giguere/Monster), a potential #1 D-man, and a legit sniper. They get another important piece with a potential poward forward in Tangradi. Toronto also gets a decent young player with a top-six shot, and a potential top-4 defenseman as well as a first-round-pick. San Jose gets Kaberle for their playoff run and then some...Kunitz is a short-term fix for the top-six...
You might want to revise this one a bit chief......

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02-06-2010, 10:34 PM
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I think you forgot Tangradi? I'll definatly keep Caputi, 1st, Kunitz, and Tangradi. We need those, and we are not helping you guys out at all. You aint getting a package like that from any GM not named Sutter, Wadell, etc.
No, I dropped Tangradi, as mentioned in my original post, who is IMO your best winger prospect and probably holds a lot of value for the Pens. I doubt Caputi will ever amount to much. Kunitz is simply returned to fill a top 6 roster spot. The 1st is really the heart of the deal, and it's going to be pretty late anyway. Like I said to begin with, if it were up to me I'd do Seto for Gogo straight up. I'd also do Seto+McGinn/Ferriero/Zalewski for Letang+1st.

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02-06-2010, 10:37 PM
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sharks won't trade setoguchi. They need him to score. They cant rely on just Heatley all the time. Heater with 3 more points tonight. Wow, someone sure blew that bonehead trade...but what do you expect.

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02-06-2010, 11:10 PM
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sharks won't trade setoguchi. They need him to score. They cant rely on just Heatley all the time. Heater with 3 more points tonight. Wow, someone sure blew that bonehead trade...but what do you expect.
Sorry kiddo, but I think that Ottawa got a decent return, and both teams have benefitted, despite what the on-the-paper might tell you.

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02-06-2010, 11:33 PM
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sharks won't trade setoguchi. They need him to score. They cant rely on just Heatley all the time. Heater with 3 more points tonight. Wow, someone sure blew that bonehead trade...but what do you expect.
So we have this guy named Marleau, you might have heard of him...

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02-07-2010, 09:01 AM
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Sorry kiddo, but I think that Ottawa got a decent return, and both teams have benefitted, despite what the on-the-paper might tell you.
totally agree. Mihalek will be a continual solid/steady player for years to come and, solid hitter and defensive skills as well. For many of us Sharks fans, not the player we wanted moved in the Heater trade.

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So we have this guy named Marleau, you might have heard of him...
exactly and, combined for 70 goals already.

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Toronto loses huge on this. Burke has said a 1st, prospect and pick alone for Kabs. There is no way Clowe, Kunitz and a third will do that deal. Pens make out like bandits and go on to win another Cup.
Actually, I could really see Burke going for it if it returned those types of players. Both Kunitz and Clowe are absolutely Burke type players who don't exactly suck.

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