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Gagne and/or Hartnell at the draft

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02-06-2010, 10:30 PM
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Gagne and/or Hartnell at the draft

Both have NTCs, but I was wondering what someone would give for either of them.

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02-06-2010, 10:38 PM
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Hartnell's value has really fallen off. He is on pace for 43 pts this season, is having trouble finishing and continually takes stupid unnecessary penalties. I like his aggressiveness/grit and size but those intangibles do not make up for his lack of production, high salary and stupid penalties.

Gagne seems to be regressing a bit due to past injuries. Not sure i would take a chance on him unless we are able to dump salary in return.

BTW, don't both of them have NTC's? Can't see the Flyers moving them due to that.

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Chop either guy's cap hit in half, and tons of teams would be interested. But I don't think you'll draw much at their actual cap hits.

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I think Gagne is a better player than he is playing like, doesn't he have two hernias that he is playing through? Once he recovers in the offseason I expect him to be at a point per game with some solid two way play like he has been in the past.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=503786

Yeah I doubt he's recovered from that. You've got to keep that in mind. BTW I think theres 2 things preventing this conversation from even being meaningful

1)Gagne would not waive his NTC
2)There are other guys who would be traded before Gagne imo

I would take Gagne if the oilers would not rebuilding. He's be great with Hemsky. At this point though it isn't a good fit. Gagnes always been one of my favourites though. Kinds of the easts version of Loui Eriksson.edit:probably a bad comparison lol.

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Gagne for Van 1 st + Shirokov+Bieksa?

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Gagne? Eh, I doubt it.
Hartnell? HELL NO.

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I hated Hartnell since day 1... Ugh...

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Hartnell heard that he might be part of the proplem in the locker room...solid player --type of player you would think would be better in the playoffs

pass on him...

Gagne still a solid player,even with injuries.

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The Sabres would be interested in Hartnell if the price wasn't too high. The problem is: I don't think the Sabres can afford another high priced forward without trading one. Vanek, Roy, Pominville, Connolly, and Hecht are all making big money and even Stafford and Gaustad are making more than $2 million apiece next year.

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Gagne for Van 1 st + Shirokov+Bieksa?
Bad move for the Canucks.

You guys have something special going on there and I'd recommend adding on those players who you see fit.

Ray Whitney is a guy who'd fit extremely well on your second line, but I'd stay away from Gagne as far as I can. This guy is an injury waiting for happen. Too bad because injuries ruined what could have been a very good career for Gagne.

There is still hope that Gagne gets back to his original form, but its a risk Vancouver doesn't have to take.

Won't even take a 1st rounder, I think, to acquire someone like Whitney. He brings experience to your team - Stanley Cup experience. He's physically fit and I think he can still play for another 3 years or so.

2nd + Ellington

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Whitney (Re-sign for 3 years, 10.5 million).

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Bad move for the Canucks.

You guys have something special going on there and I'd recommend adding on those players who you see fit.

Ray Whitney is a guy who'd fit extremely well on your second line, but I'd stay away from Gagne as far as I can. This guy is an injury waiting for happen. Too bad because injuries ruined what could have been a very good career for Gagne.

There is still hope that Gagne gets back to his original form, but its a risk Vancouver doesn't have to take.

Won't even take a 1st rounder, I think, to acquire someone like Whitney. He brings experience to your team - Stanley Cup experience. He's physically fit and I think he can still play for another 3 years or so.

2nd + Ellington

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Whitney (Re-sign for 3 years, 10.5 million).

I cant see Whitney, at age 38, getting a three year contract worth 10.5 million.

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Gagne for Van 1 st + Shirokov+Bieksa?
Yeah man.. as a Flyers fan.. I would take this in a heartbeat.

I'm all about shedding cap space for the Flyers and would rather the trade be Grabner + 1st for Gagne but no way VAN does that unless someone goes down and they are slipping going into the playoffs

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Maybe something can be built around Poni for Hartnell? He's a UFA so the Flyers get some cap relief if they decide to let him walk. Don't know what the Leafs should add...

Am I even close?

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Maybe something can be built around Poni for Hartnell? He's a UFA so the Flyers get some cap relief if they decide to let him walk. Don't know what the Leafs should add...

Am I even close?
I'd do it. Ponikarovsky isn't useless. Hartnell may seem like the Burke type of player.

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cut your bait and move on. Take picks/ prospects and the cap space. then watch shooter overpay another player that includes a nmc. Same circle round and round.

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Maybe something can be built around Poni for Hartnell? He's a UFA so the Flyers get some cap relief if they decide to let him walk. Don't know what the Leafs should add...

Am I even close?
Would Hartnell waive his NTC to play on the 2nd last place team in the league?

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Would Hartnell waive his NTC to play on the 2nd last place team in the league?
Call me crazy, but I see Toronto making it in the 8th spot. Plus with their instant rebuild, they're set for at least next year to make a decent run. Hartnell for Poni works for both sides IMO.

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Call me crazy, but I see Toronto making it in the 8th spot. Plus with their instant rebuild, they're set for at least next year to make a decent run. Hartnell for Poni works for both sides IMO.
You are crazy!!! There are 23 games left and they have to make up 10pts and climb ahead of 7 teams. Its as impossible as impossible gets.

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Something around Wheeler for Gagne as the main assets?

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You are crazy!!! There are 23 games left and they have to make up 10pts and climb ahead of 7 teams. Its as impossible as impossible gets.
Yeah, it is not going to happen. Has a team ever climbed from last place this late in the season to make the playoffs? I highly doubt it.

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That NTC clause is going to kill the Flyers. Hartnell loves it here. I wouldn't mind giving him up for a first rounder honestly + a lesser roster player.

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Yeah, it is not going to happen. Has a team ever climbed from last place this late in the season to make the playoffs? I highly doubt it.
I don't think so. Its almost mathematically impossible as the teams above the Leafs have games in hand and will play each other meaning that someone will get points regardless. Even if the Leafs went on a 10 game win-streak they still would be hard-pressed to make the playoffs.

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I don't think so. Its almost mathematically impossible as the teams above the Leafs have games in hand and will play each other meaning that someone will get points regardless. Even if the Leafs went on a 10 game win-streak they still would be hard-pressed to make the playoffs.
Especially with the way the East is with so many teams clustered in that 6-13 range. Maybe if there were 5 or 6 great teams way ahead of the pack and the rest were all average it would be possible for a last place team to climb, but there are too many teams too close to the 8th spot for the Leafs to climb up that far.

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Tim Thomas + Vladimir Sobotka + 2010 3rd Round Pick for Simon Gagne + Brian Boucher

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Tim Thomas + Vladimir Sobotka + 2010 3rd Round Pick for Simon Gagne + Brian Boucher
no, we dont want Thomas

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