For some reason I see them still as young players....and are both having ***** seasons......not the worst time to have to re-sign them and gives them incentive to get going before seasons end with a new start no?
Hell it could be pending Murray can get them both with contracts prior to the trade.Totally plausible, and with Cheech's salary off the books it's probably cap doable.
Much rather have these guys than Andrew Brunnette for some reason....If Liles and Svatos return to form we can look forward to some time (4-5 years) for the team to develop some flashy forward draft picks (Etem *cough*Petersson*cough*)
If Wallin can return a 2nd I would like to see what type of return could Volchenkov fetch.
You don't want any part of Liles and Svatos. Liles has a 4,2 mil contract for the next 2 years and he was a healthy scratch recently. People cringe about Kuba who is actually a decent d-man making 3,7 , this board would explode to see the mistake prone Liles on the Sens blueline. Think Joe Corvo with a bigger salary , yikes
Svatos is useless if he doesn't score,not a good defensive forward,under-sized to be on the 4th line, too one dimensional for Murray. He will look hard into the Nolan, Torres type of players at the deadline IMO
it's not like both Svatos and Liles have had one good season....they actually both had pretty great multiple seasons and are mired in a tough season......if I was a betting man, which I'm normally not, I would take a chance they both need a change of scenery and losing Chechoo's contract in the process as well as everyone's fav whipping boy Lee, plus Picard Pylon would be sweet any way you slice it.
The more I think about this, the more i realize that we are not very likely to be active at the deadline.
What do we have to offer?
Our 2nd
SJ 2nd
That's kind of it...
We can't afford to trade prospects since Murray has just finished getting our prospect pool a little deeper (one thing I will give him credit for), we don't want to trade our 1st for a rental, and the roster players we have are 'good' because they fit into our system of play (Shannon, Winchester). Kuba has a NTC and who's to say he'd waive it, not to mention that he hasn't played great for the money he's making. Cheechoo has little-zero value to any other organization.
I thought maybe packaging Cheechoo with a 2nd (either ours or SJ's) would be enticing to other teams but that doesnt seem to be enough for a team to take on $3mil. in cap space for next year without us taking back an equally bad contract.
From this, it does not seem like we have much to offer to any other team in exchange for impact players.
I could see us making a small deal to acquire a fast,hard hitting, tenacious forechecker for very cheap. An upcoming UFA for a 5th or 6th rounder that will play on our bottom 2 lines. The only way this happens is if a seller gets desperate to deal UFA's and we make a saprykin type deal.
I could see us making a small deal to acquire a fast,hard hitting, tenacious forechecker for very cheap. An upcoming UFA for a 5th or 6th rounder that will play on our bottom 2 lines. The only way this happens is if a seller gets desperate to deal UFA's and we make a saprykin type deal.
Only difference is we gave up a 2nd for Saprykin, not a 5th or 6th.
I wouldn't mind giving up a 2nd if it brought in a veteran with some experience (who fits the criteria you said i.e forechecker, ect) but if we give up a 2nd for a 4th liner I'll lose my mind.
Only difference is we gave up a 2nd for Saprykin, not a 5th or 6th.
I wouldn't mind giving up a 2nd if it brought in a veteran with some experience (who fits the criteria you said i.e forechecker, ect) but if we give up a 2nd for a 4th liner I'll lose my mind.
Really? Who the heck was i thinking about then?...Anyways, scratch the saprykin part...just a solid veteran that a seller is desperate to get picks for. I don't put much stock into 4th round picks and up, so i wouldn't mind giving up a 4th rounder for a 20-30 point speedy/physical(3rd or 4th liner) upcoming ufa if we can get something done.
The more I think about this, the more i realize that we are not very likely to be active at the deadline.
What do we have to offer?
Our 2nd
SJ 2nd
That's kind of it...
We can't afford to trade prospects since Murray has just finished getting our prospect pool a little deeper (one thing I will give him credit for),
So we have valuable assets to trade... the real question is whether we need anything enough to trade them?
Goalies - Murray's invested a fair bit into keeping them for the year and a half. We aren't getting a new goalie.
Defense - Karlsson's becoming what we've needed on defense. Otherwise, we have a pretty good mix at unbelievably cost effective cap hits.
Forwards - we have size, we have scoring, we have defense... we better have all of those things, because our forward crew makes a lot of money.
Scoring: I've seen people begging for another scorer, why? Alfie, Spezza, Kovalev, Fisher & Michalek are providing more scoring depth than we ever have going into the postseason. Foligno would be the player most would like to improve upon and Regin is a luxury that we usually don't have... both are building blocks that have been hot lately and provide enough scoring to be 6/7 offensive forwards.
Realistically, we could improve in goal, #1 D-man and Top-6 forward... but in all cases, we'd be setting youngsters back who've been getting the job done.
it's not like both Svatos and Liles have had one good season....they actually both had pretty great multiple seasons and are mired in a tough season......if I was a betting man, which I'm normally not, I would take a chance they both need a change of scenery and losing Chechoo's contract in the process as well as everyone's fav whipping boy Lee, plus Picard Pylon would be sweet any way you slice it.
Except when you slice it so so you see you're picking up an underachieving defenceman that is at a higher cap hit for a longer term than Cheechoo. Might as well just buyout Cheechoo and give the money you figure we could pay Liles and give it to Volchenkov.
Please...can we get A-Train wrapped up soon? I know the benefits of trading him, but I also know the benefits of keeping him. So I'll choose keeping him. C'mon Murray, get it done!
I personally really wanna see what Cheech can do for us in the playoffs. Anything I've heard from my friends that are sharks fans say he's pretty clutch in the postseason.
I like the idea that the guy has the potential to be a legit threat on the 3rd and 4th line that could wind up scoring us some clutch goals
Realistically, the only thing I'd want to see Murray move would be later round draft picks for a D man that can come in if someone is injured/keep picard in the pressbox. If he's signed for a couple years great, if he's an impending UFA it could give Murray a bit of leverage with the volchenkov signing which might get him inked to a lower contract, but thats just my theory.
Really? Who the heck was i thinking about then?...Anyways, scratch the saprykin part...just a solid veteran that a seller is desperate to get picks for. I don't put much stock into 4th round picks and up, so i wouldn't mind giving up a 4th rounder for a 20-30 point speedy/physical(3rd or 4th liner) upcoming ufa if we can get something done.
Probably Martin Lapointe. We gave up a 6th rounder for him (which turned out to be Ben Smith, fwiw).
I would like to see volchenkov resigned in the next could of weeks for 3.7 or under if that does not happen I'd like to see us only trade him for a massive overpayment
As much as Karlsson has impressed over the past month, I'm nervous about going into the playoffs with a 19 year old, undersized rookie as our primary puck mover. In a 7 game series teams will really key on him and i'm not sure he's ready yet for that role. I really want the Sens to look at Visnovsky, he'd be a massive improvement over Kuba on the #1 power play unit, and he could help mentor and shelter Karlsson for the next few years, rather than thrusting him into a pivotal role. If Edmonton was willing to eat a salary like Cheechoo's, I'd be willing to add significant picks/prospects to make the deal work, then move Kuba in the offseason. A defence of:
Phillips - Volchenkov
Kuba - Karlsson
Visnovsky - Carkner
Then trade 2x 3rd rounders and a 4th for another 2nd
Then trade 2x 2nd rounders and kelly for a 10-20spot 1st rounder
leaves us with 3 players in the top 60...while opening up a roster spot for Cowen which Murray has said he thinks will make the team AND we can re-sign Volch
15.Emerson Etem
Centre - Medicine Hat (WHL)
Born: 06/16/92
Hometown: Long Beach, CA
6-0, 194 lbs.
Stats (Through Jan. 24): 32 G, 21 A, 53 PTS, 14 PIM
"speed and hands and size....potential 2nd line centre Ottawa has been searching for.....like Cheechoo when he was still a 50 goal scorer"
Etem has been one of the biggest surprises this year, taking the WHL by storm after flying under the radar a year ago with the NTDP U17 team. One of the first things you’ll notice about Etem is his skating stride, which is one of the most awkward and unique strides out there, especially for a player of his caliber. Putting that aside, he’s one of the top snipers available in this draft. Etem loves to shoot from anywhere and has the ability to pick corners all over the offensive zone. If he continues his torrid goal scoring pace, he could climb up into the mid teens, but concerns about his overall game and skating will likely prevent him from reaching the top half of the first round.
22.Jeff Skinner
Centre - Kitchener (OHL)
Born: 05/16/92
Hometown: Markham, ON
5-10, 197 lbs.
Stats (Through Jan. 24): 36 G, 28 A, 64 PTS, 48 PIM
"sniper that's built like a firehydrant, added significant weight since starting the season. Very few would have been able to predict that Jeff Skinner would be the OHL leader in goals in January at the start of the season, but that is the case right now. Skinner has taken off this season with the resurgent Kitchener Rangers, establishing himself as one of the most potent snipers in the Canadian Hockey League. Skinner’s ability to lurk in the offensive zone and jump on opportunities will surely be enough for a team to take him in Round 1, but there will be some concerns over his transition to the pros. Skinner’s skating still needs some refinement, especially given his stature."
wishful thinking I guess.....now where'd I put my xbox controller...
