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The Jackets don't want the Flyer's 3rd best center. They want a #1 center to put with Nash. That means Carter or Richards for more than Umberger.
briere is the number one center in colombus and has serious ability as a setup man. hed be better for you than either richards or carter as someone to play with nash. if thats what youd be interested in.
and i wouldnt do it. you dont trade first line players for 2nd/3rd line guys. say what you will about his contract briere is a better player. if colombus isnt adding and in a serious way im walking away.
briere is the number one center in colombus and has serious ability as a setup man. hed be better for you than either richards or carter as someone to play with nash. if thats what youd be interested in.
and i wouldnt do it. you dont trade first line players for 2nd/3rd line guys. say what you will about his contract briere is a better player. if colombus isnt adding and in a serious way im walking away.
IF Colombus isn't adding what? Talk about getting shafted. The Jackets take on an overpaid under-performing small centerman and give up Umberger? lol
Any one of Philly's 4 centers (Richards, Carter, Giroux, Briere) would immediately be your best I think.
That's a stretch. Vermette is producing and is an excellent two-way centerman. He's out-producing Briere/Giroux by a wide margin. Giroux has a ways to go before being considered a top-line centerman. Briere is certainly under-performing given the talent he has to work with.
That's a stretch. Vermette is producing and is an excellent two-way centerman. He's out-producing Briere/Giroux by a wide margin. Giroux has a ways to go before being considered a top-line centerman. Briere is certainly under-performing given the talent he has to work with.
The entire Flyers top-6 is having that issue. It's not an issue of individual skill we're dealing with here.
That's a stretch. Vermette is producing and is an excellent two-way centerman. He's out-producing Briere/Giroux by a wide margin. Giroux has a ways to go before being considered a top-line centerman. Briere is certainly under-performing given the talent he has to work with.
I know how good Vermette is, and Giroux does not have a long way to go before being considered a top-line centerman. Maybe he's not the best on every team in the NHL right now, but you don't need to make claims when you don't actually watch him/know anything about him.
Anyway, this is not part of the topic.
Point is, as much as Philly would love Umberger back, Columbus does not do this trade.
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Originally Posted by LEIFey
The entire Flyers top-6 is having that issue. It's not an issue of individual skill we're dealing with here.
IF Colombus isn't adding what? Talk about getting shafted. The Jackets take on an overpaid under-performing small centerman and give up Umberger? lol
Brutal trade request.
probably filatov.
briere is being paid what a point per game player gets. alot of the hate on his contract stemed from the fact the flyers had a ton of scoring depth. we dont anymore. that substantially increases his value to the flyers and hes been contributing a solid effort all season.
hes under-performing this year having shifted to wing where he sees the puck less. it also doesnt help that the guy hes setting up (carter) is having a problem finding the net but the chances are there and hes still creating at an elite level. and his goal production is about where youd expect from him (18 on pace for 27)as thats never been his strong suit.
cap space perrennially means diddly sqaut to the flyers. its valuable to teams on a budget but to a team that going to spend to the limit every year its about having the best players on your roster and dealing briere for umberger straight up doesnt meet that objective.
The entire Flyers top-6 is having that issue. It's not an issue of individual skill we're dealing with here.
Hard to justify that in a trade. That's like Habs fans claiming that Gomez is a pt/game player but because everyone is having trouble putting up points its not an issue of individual skill....
Bottom line is that for Flyers to claim their top-4 centerman are better than any of CBJ's centerman right now is just false and laden with homerism.
The Jackets don't want the Flyer's 3rd best center. They want a #1 center to put with Nash. That means Carter or Richards for more than Umberger.
He's actually been a winger for most of this year.
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Hard to justify that in a trade. That's like Habs fans claiming that Gomez is a pt/game player but because everyone is having trouble putting up points its not an issue of individual skill....
Bottom line is that for Flyers to claim their top-4 centerman are better than any of CBJ's centerman right now is just false and laden with homerism.
briere is the number one center in colombus and has serious ability as a setup man. hed be better for you than either richards or carter as someone to play with nash. if thats what youd be interested in.
and i wouldnt do it. you dont trade first line players for 2nd/3rd line guys. say what you will about his contract briere is a better player. if colombus isnt adding and in a serious way im walking away.
Perhaps it's time to walk away.
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briere is the number one center in colombus and has serious ability as a setup man. hed be better for you than either richards or carter as someone to play with nash. if thats what youd be interested in.
and i wouldnt do it. you dont trade first line players for 2nd/3rd line guys. say what you will about his contract briere is a better player. if colombus isnt adding and in a serious way im walking away.
That's just it. His contract is bad considering the lack of production. There's not getting around it. Why should the Blue Jackets take on a bad contract when they can use the 6 million + dollars to go after a Patrick Marleau type player who is producing massively this season?
briere is being paid what a point per game player gets. alot of the hate on his contract stemed from the fact the flyers had a ton of scoring depth. we dont anymore. that substantially increases his value to the flyers and hes been contributing a solid effort all season.
hes under-performing this year having shifted to wing where he sees the puck less. it also doesnt help that the guy hes setting up (carter) is having a problem finding the net but the chances are there and hes still creating at an elite level. and his goal production is about where youd expect from him (18 on pace for 27)as thats never been his strong suit.
cap space perrennially means diddly sqaut to the flyers. its valuable to teams on a budget but to a team that going to spend to the limit every year its about having the best players on your roster and dealing briere for umberger straight up doesnt meet that objective.
First of all, Briere is not a point per game player. He had one full season at (better than) a point per game pace his entire career. That's it. He got paid based on his career high, and hasn't come close to it since. He's not even remotely close to being worth his contract. He is in the middle of a decline and we have him for 5 more years. That's awful.
Yes, we don't have the scoring depth we used to which makes it hard to deal any skilled forward, but part of the reason the Flyers are struggling is because their highest paid player is nothing more than an overpaid complimentary player. He hasn't been contributing a solid effort all season. He's on pace for 58 points which is awful considering he is our highest paid player.
Creating at an elite level? That's laughable. There's nothing remotely elite about his game. Briere doesn't even look as creative as he has been in previous years.
LOL cap space doesn't mean squat to the Flyers. Are you for real? The Flyers keep losing players because they are so screwed under the cap. They were the only playoff team to get worse at last year's deadline because of their awful cap situation. They can't afford to actually improve the team at the deadline or in the offseason without moving salary. How are they going to afford re-signing Gagne, Carter, and Giroux next summer?
At this point $6.5M in cap space is infinitely more valuable to the Flyers than what Briere brings to the table.
And seriously to expect Filatov for Briere's garbage contract is a joke. Umberger for Briere is a net loss for them. They don't need Briere's albatross contract hanging around their necks for the next 5 years.
