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02-09-2010, 02:53 PM
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Has anyone mentioned not researching the over 35 rule and getting stuck with Pronger's entire salary until he's 43... when he will have been retired. for 3 years already.
Pronger and Flyer asst GM have both said that Pronger intends to play every year of the contract, and Pronger likened himself to Chelios.

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02-09-2010, 02:56 PM
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Pronger and Flyer asst GM have both said that Pronger intends to play every year of the contract, and Pronger likened himself to Chelios.
In hindsight they said that.

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In hindsight they said that.
The quote came out too quickly after for me not to believe that the capologist dude knew what was going on...whether it was wise (with that knowledge) to sign the deal anyway is another issue.

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Many of these grades could change, based on playoff implications, but up until now:

Off-season moves:

Emery signing: C+
Pronger/Dingle for Lupul/Sbisa/several draft picks: B
Pronger contract extension: F
Boucher signing: C-
Laperriere signing: A
Explanation for signing (specifically, that Lappy was an excellent faceoff guy): F
OKT signing: C+
Management shuffle (Reese, Paddock, Gilbert, etc.): B
Betts signing: A+

Mid-season moves:

Jones demotion: A
Jones re-call: F
Legein for Ratchuk: B
Leighton waiver claim: A+
Stevens firing: A
Timing of Stevens firing: D
Laviolette hiring: B
Krajicek signing (very small sample of games): B+
Leino for OKT/pick: C
Leino for OKT/pick/Wolfy: A+

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I actually don't have a huge problem with the Pronger contract extension...if we were going to give up that much for him, we better have some certainty of a bit of length out of the deal...and the cap hit is quite reasonable. If Pronger helps lead us to a Cup, I'll happily take a couple years of dead cap space.

Of course, if we don't win the Cup, I think that deal is a disaster in any event.

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In the eyes of a critical fan he is keeping his head just above water. Most of the good moves were tarnished by the completely boneheaded ones (a la Jones). I truly believe the biggest move that could have been made was a new coach before training camp.

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02-09-2010, 05:28 PM
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In the eyes of a critical fan he is keeping his head just above water. Most of the good moves were tarnished by the completely boneheaded ones (a la Jones). I truly believe the biggest move that could have been made was a new coach before training camp.
When the team showed very little progress last year...that should have been a sign that something needed to be done. Obviously I disliked Stevens, but as the GM of the team you shouldn't be talking to the media after the season about how you told your coach to go figure out how to create an aggressive forecheck after the fact.

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Pronger and Flyer asst GM have both said that Pronger intends to play every year of the contract, and Pronger likened himself to Chelios.
Of course they did. Why would you sign a long contract and then announce you don't intend on finishing it?

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02-09-2010, 09:21 PM
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Many of these grades could change, based on playoff implications, but up until now:

Off-season moves:

Emery signing: C+
Pronger/Dingle for Lupul/Sbisa/several draft picks: B
Pronger contract extension: F
Boucher signing: C-
Laperriere signing: A
Explanation for signing (specifically, that Lappy was an excellent faceoff guy): F
OKT signing: C+
Management shuffle (Reese, Paddock, Gilbert, etc.): B
Betts signing: A+

Mid-season moves:

Jones demotion: A
Jones re-call: F
Legein for Ratchuk: B
Leighton waiver claim: A+
Stevens firing: A
Timing of Stevens firing: D
Laviolette hiring: B
Krajicek signing (very small sample of games): B+
Leino for OKT/pick: C
Leino for OKT/pick/Wolfy: A+
LMAO very nice.

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02-09-2010, 09:25 PM
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Pronger Trade - B (3.00)
Betts, Laperriere - A (4.00)
Emery - B (3.00)
Jones Debacle - F (0.00)
Held Stevens too long - D (1.00)
Hired Laviolette - A (4.00)
No panic trade - A (4.00)
Leighton off Waivers - B (3.00)
Leino for nothing - A (4.00)
Krajicek - B (3.00)
Didn't pull trigger on Kovalchuk - A (4.00)

Final: 33.00 / 11 = 3.00 - B
LOL, you underrate Shooter. You dont think he desrves an A?
Krajicek has played 4 games yet he gets a b for that? I like the move. It is an incomplete.
Leino gets a A. How is that a an A. Acquire a depth forward who hasnt dressed yet is an a grade, wow.

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LOL, you underrate Shooter. You dont think he desrves an A?
Krajicek has played 4 games yet he gets a b for that? I like the move. It is an incomplete.
Leino gets a A. How is that a an A. Acquire a depth forward who hasnt dressed yet is an a grade, wow.
He specified Leino for nothing.

OKT was a huge burden. Plus we have another undressed who's done more than Pyorola/Cote.

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02-09-2010, 09:33 PM
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He specified Leino for nothing.

OKT was a huge burden. Plus we have another undressed who's done more than Pyorola/Cote.
Againhow is that graded an A? How was OKT a huge burden? He was making what 600k? Leino hasnt done anything yet for the flyers so that is incorrect that he has done more. He is also on the hook for 800k next year. Rather use that to resign asham

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02-09-2010, 09:37 PM
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Bring this up after trade deadline. But he gets seven F's for the Jones debacle.

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02-09-2010, 09:52 PM
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The thing that pisses me off most about the Jones thing is the total nonchalant attitude of "Well, you win some, you lose some..."

What a great ****ing attitude when you are running an organization, *******.

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02-09-2010, 09:57 PM
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I guess I am more harsh on Holmgren than most. This is what I wrote on the thread on the main board:

Right now I'd give Holmgren a D.

He has a nice collection of individual talent that doesn't seem to work well as a team.

He mortgaged the future for a team that is on pace for fewer points than the previous two seasons. They are on pace for under 90 points which is downright mediocre. If the East wasn't so mediocre this year they'd miss the playoffs.

He can't manage the cap to save his life.

He wasted the little cap space he had by placing Jones on re-entry waivers.

Improving the team at the deadline is difficult due to the lack of cap space, the lack of quality prospects on the farm, and the lack of high draft picks this year. The only tradeable assets he has are the ones he can't afford to deal. The assets he wouldn't mind moving are overpaid and have no trade and no movement clauses.

The goaltending remains a huge question mark. In fact he managed to downgrade from Biron/Nitty and they cost less this year than Emery/Boucher.

He held onto Stevens for too long when he should have been removed in the summer.

Right now his best moves are the little ones. Leighton has worked out extremely well so far. Krajicek also looks like a good one in his short time here. His swap Flyers prospect Ratchuk for Blue Jackets prospect Legein will also likely end up being a very good deal. Betts was also a fantastic signing.

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02-09-2010, 10:22 PM
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02-09-2010, 10:28 PM
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Holmgrem has made some smart moves that have been almost completely nullified by his retarded moves.

His off-season signings were pretty good. His waiver pickups were/have been pretty smart. However, the ****ing Jones and Stevens situations were just so bad.

With the Jones situation, I can understand why he did what he did, but in the process of re-calling Jones he was completely blind of every other view of the situation. The worst part of it all was the quote of the year he made after the fact.

"What can you do?"

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02-10-2010, 07:04 AM
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I have to go with a C-.

I think he waited far too long to make a switch behind the bench, the Jones debacle, and the Pronger contract(I don't care what they say about him playing it out-Pronger's going to be Rathje for the last two years of that deal). I really think that they thought it would be off the cap when he retires.

All the good moves have really been minor, except maybe the Leighton addition. While he gets props for not making a panic move, I have to question standing pat with all the underachievers..

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02-10-2010, 11:01 AM
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F-. There's no recovering from the stupidity of the Jones move.

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the most important question: are the flyers in a position to win a stanly cup now and in the immediate future? the answe is no for the following reasons.

this organization has not acquired a # goalie
this organization has no depth on the nhl roster
this organization has no top 6 forwards/ top 3 defensemen/ #1 goalie prospects in the system
this organization is not developing any current prospects. they all seem to be going baback wards
this organization has no top draft picks to rebuild the system
this organization has mismanaged the salary cap
this organization has no understanding of the cap
this organization has no flexibility to make any moves due to no trades

for these reasons Holmgren deserves an "f" . this organization has become a second level team whose only goal is to make the playoffs instead of trying to win a championship.

comcast needs to clean house on the current mngt team. if this organization continues in the same direction, they will become mediocre just like the 76ers

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02-12-2010, 12:01 PM
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Betts contract: A+
Bartulis contract: B+

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Betts contract: A+
Bartulis contract: B+
True, but...

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F-. There's no recovering from the stupidity of the Jones move.
...yeah.

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Leino for OKT/pick/Wolfy: A+
Gold. haha

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F-. There's no recovering from the stupidity of the Jones move.
Im going to have to further that to a Y. Not Z. Z would be signing jones to that abominable contract in the first place.

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