If Rinne finishes out the season fairly strong and goes into the summer unsigned, SJS would give him $3M on a three year deal IMO. They'll want the best on the market in order to remain P/O ready. If they re-sign Marleau at $7M+ there won't be enough room for Nabby at $4+ (especially on the term he'll want as someone seeking his one last big deal).
That's probably an upgrade at two positions for us (I am not nearly as sour on Coburn as some). I honestly don't see why Nashville does it (do they not think they can resign Hamhuis, and like Coburn's RFA status). They would probably want a youngish forward instead of Boucher, no? Someone along the lines of a Matsumoto or Maroon, perhaps at the expense of a mid to late pick?
I believe its common knowledge that NSH has an internal cap, which keeps them financially viable in Dixie. In terms of profit/loss, every million is the difference between loss or major loss.
The type of deal I put together would save them a couple million for use towards next season's roster. NSH going with Ellis over Rinne would save them at least a million per season. Going with Coburn over Hamhuis would save another million (without a real downgrade to the top four). That's two million total in savings.
They've already spent about $1.2M of that on raises to Goc, Klein and Tootoo for next season. They still have raises to give to RFAs Hornquist and Franson, both of whom have progressed considerably this season.
Bottom line, I don't envision Rinne being re-signed by NSH. So, if they can convert him and Hamhuis into a cheap top four, I have to believe they'll look at that sort of deal favorably (with or without a middling prospect as you suggested). Hamhuis alone won't get them a Coburn -- it would be massive overpayment by PHI.
That being said, I think Holmgren still thinks twice about making this deal. I don't see how both Hamhuis and Rinne at $3M or more could fit under the cap in PHI next season considering the current composition of the roster.
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Another possibility if they are looking for a young guy would be Enroth from buffalo. He is ready now. Not sure what they would have to give up or if buffalo would deal him to a conf rival.
Another possibility if they are looking for a young guy would be Enroth from buffalo. He is ready now. Not sure what they would have to give up or if buffalo would deal him to a conf rival.
I saw your post on Enroth as a possible option for us in the "Price to Philly thread". You suggested that we would have to start our offer with Carter.....
Here's what I don't understand, why is every prospect except our own so valuable in your eyes? You discredit Eriksson because he hasn't proven anything yet, then barely two hours later (in the same thread) you are ready to trade one of our best scorers for Enroth???
I realize Eriksson isn't as far along in his development as Enroth is but still... How can one prospect be practically worthless to you and one is worth a 40+ goalscorer?
BTW did you catch my response on why Eriksson wasn't on the swedish WJC roster and why he isn't playing in the top league in Sweden?
I saw your post on Enroth as a possible option for us in the "Price to Philly thread". You suggested that we would have to start our offer with Carter.....
Here's what I don't understand, why is every prospect except our own so valuable in your eyes? You discredit Eriksson because he hasn't proven anything yet, then barely two hours later (in the same thread) you are ready to trade one of our best scorers for Enroth???
I realize Eriksson isn't as far along in his development as Enroth is but still... How can one prospect be practically worthless to you and one is worth a 40+ goalscorer?
BTW did you catch my response on why Eriksson wasn't on the swedish WJC roster and why he isn't playing in the top league in Sweden?
On topic: Turco? Heeeeeeeeeell no!
No, go reread what i said. I said was if buffalo falters they may look to move miller as enroth is ready. I said they would want Carter for Miller. I never said enroth for carter.
Yes i did see what you said and why. Thnaks. While i understand he is only 19, however if he was that good imo a teamwould want him on their roster, despite his age. i am not discreditign him at all. It is nice to see him dominate the legaue he is in right now. Until he does it against tougher competition i am not getting to excited. The sad thing is the could have drafted markstrum.
Roloson is 40 years old, will be 41 in October. He's signed at 2.5M past this season, I'm not a fan of goalies over 40.
Turco on the other hand is only 34, will be 35 in August. He isn't signed past this year, and has way better career numbers than Turco.
Roloson hasn't had good numbers since 05-06, and Turco put up good numbers in 07-08. Both guys play in front of terrible defenses, so their numbers would likely improve here. I'd prefer to not need either one of them, I want a healthy Emery over both of them.
If the Flyers have any interest at all in Turco they would have to wait until the offseason. Anyone really think Hartnell or Briere would accept a trade to Dallas? I cant see it honestly. If the Flyers dont have faith in Emery being healthy they need to look eslewhere.
I wouldnt mind Rinne. The cost wouldnt be as high and with the defense here he would be a good pickup. That said I really wonder if he will be on the block. They do need scoring and he may be their best chip to get a forward. Maybe Hamhuis is in there as well.
If the Flyers have any interest at all in Turco they would have to wait until the offseason. Anyone really think Hartnell or Briere would accept a trade to Dallas? I cant see it honestly. If the Flyers dont have faith in Emery being healthy they need to look eslewhere.
I wouldnt mind Rinne. The cost wouldnt be as high and with the defense here he would be a good pickup. That said I really wonder if he will be on the block. They do need scoring and he may be their best chip to get a forward. Maybe Hamhuis is in there as well.
Dallas can't afford to take on salary. Turco is not a realistic option. Hartnell's agent also shot down the Dallas rumor so no I do not expect him to waive to go there.
I don't think Nashville deals Rinne. If they deal a goalie it will be Ellis.
Dallas can't afford to take on salary. Turco is not a realistic option. Hartnell's agent also shot down the Dallas rumor so no I do not expect him to waive to go there.
I don't think Nashville deals Rinne. If they deal a goalie it will be Ellis.
Its going to be interesting to see what Dallas does. If they cant find a sutor for Turco I suppose they put Auld on waivers. That is of course if Lehtonen is deemed healthy to play for them this year.
So with the news with Emery today will pretty much indicate that if the Flyers make a trade for another goalie it will be in that 72 hour window after the Olympic break.
Its going to be interesting to see what Dallas does. If they cant find a sutor for Turco I suppose they put Auld on waivers. That is of course if Lehtonen is deemed healthy to play for them this year.
So with the news with Emery today will pretty much indicate that if the Flyers make a trade for another goalie it will be in that 72 hour window after the Olympic break.
I think they will have a tough time finding a suitor for Turco due to his cap hit. There are few teams in the market for goaltending and there are much cheaper options available.
Lehtonen has been cleared to play, but who knows how many starts he will get. He didn't look that good in his AHL stint and he's out of shape. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep 3 goalies.
I think they will have a tough time finding a suitor for Turco due to his cap hit. There are few teams in the market for goaltending and there are much cheaper options available.
Lehtonen has been cleared to play, but who knows how many starts he will get. He didn't look that good in his AHL stint and he's out of shape. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep 3 goalies.
yep, unless something drastic happens like a goalie with a similar cap hit is lost for the year see Nabokov, Vokoun ect they probably wont be able to move him.
Any idea that the so called experts out there on TSN and NHL live ect have in the Flyers landing Turco at this point is a pipe dream.
Only way I take Turco is if A. Emery is lost for the year, and B. The Stars take Briere off our hands.
Other then that its look elsewhere if they need another goalie.
ive been thinking about this and its not really about getting turco as it is about taking turco.
i and i think th flyers could go with
jaime benn
or
scott glennie and karls skratins
for briere
with turco in to make the cap.
i sincerely doubt dalas would do it but if they become eager to get rid of a 5 million dollar backup thats what id propose. i think they probably wind up stuck with him til the end of the year and then just let him walk.but given his style of game i think brad richards could play really well with briere.
ive been thinking about this and its not really about getting turco as it is about taking turco.
i and i think th flyers could go with
jaime benn
or
scott glennie and karls skratins
for briere
with turco in to make the cap.
i sincerely doubt dalas would do it but if they become eager to get rid of a 5 million dollar backup thats what id propose. i think they probably wind up stuck with him til the end of the year and then just let him walk.but given his style of game i think brad richards could play really well with briere.
You must be high. They can't afford Briere, likely aren't interested in him, and sure as hell aren't giving up Benn to get him.
Roloson is 40 years old, will be 41 in October. He's signed at 2.5M past this season, I'm not a fan of goalies over 40.
Turco on the other hand is only 34, will be 35 in August. He isn't signed past this year, and has way better career numbers than Turco.
Roloson hasn't had good numbers since 05-06, and Turco put up good numbers in 07-08. Both guys play in front of terrible defenses, so their numbers would likely improve here. I'd prefer to not need either one of them, I want a healthy Emery over both of them.
Erm, Roloson had a good season last year, and has played well this year. Nothing spectacular there, but I'd like our chances with him more than Leighton if Emery is really done.
I remain amazed at what Leighton has gotten away with game in and game out for us...I hope it didn't involve making a deal for his child's soul or something.
Erm, Roloson had a good season last year, and has played well this year. Nothing spectacular there, but I'd like our chances with him more than Leighton if Emery is really done.
I remain amazed at what Leighton has gotten away with game in and game out for us...I hope it didn't involve making a deal for his child's soul or something.
I don't care what he's done so far (pure luck, IMO), we are ****ed if Leighton is our starter for the rest of this season. ****ed.
Hey, if you want to ignore the rest of his career go right ahead. It's a hot streak and good defense, nothing more.
I agree. If a goalie only gives up 6 goals in 3 games but all 6 goals are ****ing atrocious then I'm giving the credit to the defense. And I'm prepared to give the credit to our defense for Emery's healthy success, Boucher's success (his win-loss record is a product of goal support, not a bad GAA), and certainly Leighton's success.
I, for one, really want to see Boucher back in net for a game or two. I think long term he's a more viable option than Leighton. **** overpaying for a Turco or Roloson type guy.
