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02-10-2010, 10:29 AM
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Because it's not very often you can address a short term need with a long term solution.
But if you decide to go with the long term solution now, in a close race for playoff spots, you run a really high risk of throwing away the entire season. I'm not willing to do that. Everyone has seen teams go on huge runs at the end of the season. The NHL playoffs are just about making it in.

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02-10-2010, 10:32 AM
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I would do it for Briere. But that's it.

And, for the record, the Flyers never make moves like this one.

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02-10-2010, 10:34 AM
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Yep. Definitely didn't live up to it.

He just revitalized the team when they were the worst team in the league, had a rough season with injuries, which can happen to anyone (see Forsberg, Primeau), and mind you we didn't have a cap hit while he was on LTIR, and then is now 4th on this team in points and is continuing to skate every game, something that most players on this team don't seem to do.

Apparently if you can't fly and catch Lois Lane falling out of a building you don't live up to a $6.5 million contract.
I am actually a big briere fan, but come on. The emergence of Carter and Richards revitalized the team. Timonen had a bigger effect on the team than Briere did as well.

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I'm going to play Ed Snider here:

The off-season is after the playoffs. Why do we need to trade his player to clear his cap space before the playoffs? We're supposed to win the Stanley Cup this season. Not next season, this season. Having extra cap space next season does not help us this season.
they are supposed to win it every year. Nothing has changed. Shooter than tells him they dont have a good enough goalie to win the cup. They need smoneone better. This is our chance to move his contract. We can sacrifcie scorong but we need goaltending ( laughing as i type this as the orgin-i-zation ovbviously doesnt believe this) Like i said snider wouldnt even be involved in this type of deal imo.

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Trading Briere is giving up on the season? 16 mins a game 12 pp points and 35 points on the season. Giving that up for a goalie who has .911 save % which is better than emery and playoff experience. Is a PP specialist really more important than a goalie? Is that really the argument here?

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I am actually a big briere fan, but come on. The emergence of Carter and Richards revitalized the team. Timonen had a bigger effect on the team than Briere did as well.
Briere took the pressure off of Carter and Richards to perform. Coming off 2007, you weren't sure if Richards would be a top scorer, or just an excellent 3rd line center that you didn't count on for 70 points.

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Trading Briere is giving up on the season? 16 mins a game 12 pp points and 35 points on the season. Giving that up for a goalie who has .911 save % which is better than emery and playoff experience. Is a PP specialist really more important than a goalie? Is that really the argument here?
No argument from me. With a good D (which we have) Turco can still get **** done, Briere on the other hand, cannot.

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Trading Briere is giving up on the season? 16 mins a game 12 pp points and 35 points on the season. Giving that up for a goalie who has .911 save % which is better than emery and playoff experience. Is a PP specialist really more important than a goalie? Is that really the argument here?
Emery doesn't have playoff experience? He's been to he finals, Turco has not and is a proven playoff choker. When the season is on the line, you can't truly count on him. Turco has a losing record in the playoffs.

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Briere took the pressure off of Carter and Richards to perform. Coming off 2007, you weren't sure if Richards would be a top scorer, or just an excellent 3rd line center that you didn't count on for 70 points.
Yea we needed a top guy after Forsberg, so I don't know how anyone can blame the Flyers for signing Briere, but at this point theres really no need for him because Giroux and JVR should be getting more special teams time, plus his injuries seem to have taken away some of the strengths in his game.

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I am actually a big briere fan, but come on. The emergence of Carter and Richards revitalized the team. Timonen had a bigger effect on the team than Briere did as well.
Agree. Stevens relied heavily on Richards and Carter down the stretch, Briere was the 3rd line C by the end of the season.

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Emery doesn't have playoff experience? He's been to he finals, Turco has not and is a proven playoff choker. When the season is on the line, you can't truly count on him. Turco has a losing record in the playoffs.
I thought Emery might be in danger of missing the rest of the season. Either way, wouldn't you rather have Emery/Turco as playoff options so if emery is hurt we have Turco/Leighton? Over a PP specialist with only 12 pp points on the season? Goalies are more important than a guy who is mostly counted on for playoff powerplay points. The flyers have enough talent to make up for his pp points.

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Emery doesn't have playoff experience? He's been to he finals, Turco has not and is a proven playoff choker. When the season is on the line, you can't truly count on him.
Marty Turco has had 3 good playoffs, and 2 bad playoffs. His last two have been quite good, and he DESERVED TO WIN the series against the Canucks as couple years back, when both he and Luongo stood on their heads (he had 3 SO in a 7 game series and lost!).

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Most people do if they haven't won a Cup.

Brodeur is 29 over .500 in his 3 cup runs, and 9 games under in every other playoff appearance he's made (including a finals appearance).

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Agree. Stevens relied heavily on Richards and Carter down the stretch, Briere was the 3rd line C by the end of the season.
And playing with Giroux, they were the best two Flyers during the last 2 months of the season.

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I thought Emery might be in danger of missing the rest of the season. Either way, wouldn't you rather have Emery/Turco as playoff options so if emery is hurt we have Turco/Leighton? Over a PP specialist with only 12 pp points on the season? Goalies are more important than a guy who is mostly counted on for playoff powerplay points. The flyers have enough talent to make up for his pp points.
You're assuming that, they haven't announced anything. Briere also plays the right side, only Leino (who plays the left side, so Hartnell would move over) a replacement for that (they can't move Giroux over because they don't have an extra center).


Briere can't be traded right now, for the rest of the season they're stuck with him unless there is some kind of far-reaching contingency play. Once again, another thing you can blame on Holmgren because he chose Randy Jones over Mike Knuble.

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Marty Turco has had 3 good playoffs, and 2 bad playoffs. His last two have been quite good, and he DESERVED TO WIN the series against the Canucks as couple years back, when both he and Luongo stood on their heads (he had 3 SO in a 7 game series and lost!).



Most people do if they haven't won a Cup.

Brodeur is 29 over .500 in his 3 cup runs, and 9 games under in every other playoff appearance he's made (including a finals appearance).
Right, so Brodeur can win. Turco's proven he can't. Not really much different than Biron.

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Right, so Brodeur can win. Turco's proven he can't.
Yes, because it's Turco's fault the Stars haven't had a cup winning team in the West.

I do so love your hyperbolic generalizations, though.

Couple years ago they made the WCF almost ENTIRELY because of Turco's play. They lost in 6 games to Detroit, and managed 10 goals in the series.

As ever, the "playoff choke artist" tag is one of the dumbest monikers in sports.

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Yes, because it's Turco's fault the Stars haven't had a cup winning team in the West.

I do so love your hyperbolic generalizations, though.

Couple years ago they made the WCF almost ENTIRELY because of Turco's play. They lost in 6 games to Detroit, and managed 10 goals in the series.

As ever, the "playoff choke artist" tag is one of the dumbest monikers in sports.
They've certainly been amongst the favorites in the years past, as well. Only won 3 playoff series, only 1 more than Biron. Now they struggle to make the playoffs, and put the writing on the wall. Why should I want him? No thanks, another Curtis Joseph. Nice numbers, just can't get it done.

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And playing with Giroux, they were the best two Flyers during the last 2 months of the season.



You're assuming that, they haven't announced anything. Briere also plays the right side, only Leino (who plays the left side, so Hartnell would move over) a replacement for that (they can't move Giroux over because they don't have an extra center).


Briere can't be traded right now, for the rest of the season they're stuck with him unless there is some kind of far-reaching contingency play. Once again, another thing you can blame on Holmgren because he chose Randy Jones over Mike Knuble.



Right, so Brodeur can win. Turco's proven he can't. Not really much different than Biron.


Are you really justifying, keeping Briere a powerplay specialist with only 12 points on the PP this year because we cannot move giroux to RW because we are lacking 1 center. Can powe not play 3rd line center for them? Can JVR/Hartnell really not move to the right side? This is like the most bizarre thing I have ever heard of. Emery is hurt and his return is unsure of, wouldn't you rather have a backup plan at worst?

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They've certainly been amongst the favorites in the years past, as well. Only won 3 playoff series, only 1 more than Biron. Now they struggle to make the playoffs, and put the writing on the wall. Why should I want him? No thanks, another Curtis Joseph. Nice numbers, just can't get it done.
Yeah, one of those playoff series losses...as noted above, Turco was lights-effing-out in. His fault they couldn't beat Luongo on the other side? You really faulting the goalie in a series where he SO the opposition 3x and they couldn't win a single game other than that?

He certainly had two very bad playoff runs, but to say he's never had playoff success is to simply ignore reality.

However, it's remarkable you take a complex team sport and reduce the effort of 19 guys down to the failure of one guy with such ease...for someone that watches as much hockey as you do, that's a remarkable lack of appreciation for the sport.

Nor am I saying he's anything special, he's clearly struggling at this point...but if we can dump Briere? Hell yeah we take him.

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Are you really justifying, keeping Briere a powerplay specialist with only 12 points on the PP this year because we cannot move giroux to RW because we are lacking 1 center. Can powe not play 3rd line center for them? Can JVR/Hartnell really not move to the right side? This is like the most bizarre thing I have ever heard of. Emery is hurt and his return is unsure of, wouldn't you rather have a backup plan at worst?
Now isn't the time to be experimenting with a sophomore who has very limited experience at center during his NHL career.

BTW Briere's 13 even-strength goals is second on the team.

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Holmgren have to bring Turco and Flyers finally have a more than decent starting goalie.

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Now isn't the time to be experimenting with a sophomore who has very limited experience at center during his NHL career.

BTW Briere's 13 even-strength goals is second on the team.
Now is the time to dump a contract that will hamstring us considerably in the years to come...

I absolutely agree with anyone saying that trading Briere today will hurt us today. Over the next 5 years, however, it will do WONDERS for this team. If you get an expiring contract in Turco back...the world is your oyster this offseason.

Of course, I don't think we're going to get Briere to waive his NTC.

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Yeah, one of those playoff series losses...as noted above, Turco was lights-effing-out in. His fault they couldn't beat Luongo on the other side? You really faulting the goalie in a series where he SO the opposition 3x and they couldn't win a single game other than that?

He certainly had two very bad playoff runs, but to say he's never had playoff success is to simply ignore reality.

However, it's remarkable you take a complex team sport and reduce the effort of 19 guys down to the failure of one guy with such ease...for someone that watches as much hockey as you do, that's a remarkable lack of appreciation for the sport.

Nor am I saying he's anything special, he's clearly struggling at this point...but if we can dump Briere? Hell yeah we take him.
Ok, that's one series, out of how many? Neither team should have won that series no one could score any goals.

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Yes, because it's Turco's fault the Stars haven't had a cup winning team in the West.

I do so love your hyperbolic generalizations, though.

Couple years ago they made the WCF almost ENTIRELY because of Turco's play. They lost in 6 games to Detroit, and managed 10 goals in the series.

As ever, the "playoff choke artist" tag is one of the dumbest monikers in sports.
You're right, Turco was AWESOME last time he played in playoffs.

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Ok, that's one series, out of how many? Neither team should have won that series no one could score any goals.
They could score goals...did you not watch it? It was like the DAL-SJ series...both goalies were friggin incredible.

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Now is the time to dump a contract that will hamstring us considerably in the years to come...

I absolutely agree with anyone saying that trading Briere today will hurt us today. Over the next 5 years, however, it will do WONDERS for this team. If you get an expiring contract in Turco back...the world is your oyster this offseason.

Of course, I don't think we're going to get Briere to waive his NTC.
It's not that it wouldn't be worth the cap space, it's that you know that's not how the Flyers operate. They worry about next season, next season. They'll worry about 2012 in 2012. Briere gives them a better chance to win this year than what they'd get for him in a trade.

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Is Turco seriously getting blamed for that loss against the Canucks?

Wow...

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