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02-10-2010, 11:46 AM
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Again, so well this season that he's been replaced by someone who has made their hay being the goalie for the Atlanta Thrashers, and has not played an NHL game yet. That makes me REAL confident about trading for someone they've shown they're not keeping around. I'd take him if he came via re-entry waivers only.
There could be a number of financial considerations as to why Turco is being replaced by a younger, cheaper, less experienced goaltender. The ownership situation in Dallas is a mess and, even if it wasn't, they probably don't want to pay Turco over $5M a season. I wouldn't want the Flyers to lock him up long term for that kind of money, either.

He would be a decent playoff rental, if the Flyers could afford it. They can't, and that's why I don't want to see them lose a strong piece off the roster to make room for him.


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02-10-2010, 11:48 AM
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I'd rather keep Briere.
I would love to dump Briere on some unsuspecting fool, but for Turco? Meh.

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This is what I don't get-- we don't really need to call up someone else like Legein. Just move Giroux or JVR to the top six, and we've got 6 appropriate forwards for the top two lines and six appropriate forwards for the bottom two lines. The real problem is not having a ******* third line center, because then the third line's kinda just awkward.
I disagree. I think we need to plug 1 to 2 offensive guys in there as one of our problems is a lack of consistent scoring. I am fine with JVR-Giroux-Asham. They have chemistry and score at an okay rate. But our top 2 lines just go through these massive droughts. I don't know maybe moving giroux/jvr up would help but I am not convinced. I think our lack of a superstar offensive player though means that we need to try and have 3 scoring lines.

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There could be a number of financial considerations as to why Turco is being replaced by a younger, cheaper, less experienced goaltender. The ownership situation in Dallas is a mess and, even if it wasn't, they porbably don't want to pay Turco over $5M a season. I wouldn't want the Flyers to lock him up long term for that kind of money, either.

He would be a decent playoff rental, if the Flyers could afford it. They can't, and that's why I don't want to see them lose a strong piece off the roster to make room for him.
If Emery is done (and it's not like I really trust him either), and the choices are Turco, Leighton, or Boucher, and things here are working (even if they trade Briere), I'll take Turco (massive leap of faith, I know). How's that?

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02-10-2010, 11:49 AM
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I wonder how Emery,Leighton or Boucher would do with that craptastic defense in Dallas right now.
Not saying I am 100 percent on board with getting Turco, just wondering what people think about that. Turco has a .910 save percentage behind a **** defense.
Not that this happens anyway. Only way this would even happen if Briere waived his NTC and that is not going to happen.
Hartnell has one too, so yeah scratch that.
We can win with Leighton and Boucher if Emery is out for the year right?
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Well if it makes you feel better they weren't going to win this year regardless.

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02-10-2010, 11:52 AM
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If Emery is done (and it's not like I really trust him either), and the choices are Turco, Leighton, or Boucher, and things here are working (even if they trade Briere), I'll take Turco. How's that?
You'd send away Briere for an inevitable first round playoff choke by Turco?

That's what Holmgren has to weigh. Losing Briere's contract is a huge bonus, but losing Briere the player makes me hesitant. Holmgren may not have a choice, if Emery is lost for the season.


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I disagree. I think we need to plug 1 to 2 offensive guys in there as one of our problems is a lack of consistent scoring. I am fine with JVR-Giroux-Asham. They have chemistry and score at an okay rate. But our top 2 lines just go through these massive droughts. I don't know maybe moving giroux/jvr up would help but I am not convinced. I think our lack of a superstar offensive player though means that we need to try and have 3 scoring lines.
Why would it make more sense to try to run three scoring lines when we don't have a superstar player? It's just further diluting our offensive players.

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02-10-2010, 11:57 AM
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Well if it makes you feel better they weren't going to win this year regardless.
This is supposed to be a Cup contender right? If Emery is indeed out for the season, there is no way in hell we can ride Leighton and Boucher for the rest of the year.
When was the last time Boucher played?
But we are right up against the Cap and our best trade assets for getting a top notch goalie is Briere and Hartnell. but they have NTC.
Who else do you give up? JVR? Giroux?
I dont feel better about this at all. Our stupid GM has to give out all these NTC and it handcuffs what this team needs to do.
Then there is the Jones debacle, and many many other things.

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Why would it make more sense to try to run three scoring lines when we don't have a superstar player? It's just further diluting our offensive players.
Because if you have a superstar you can have a line that can be the focus you can have an it line. And a secondary line. I don't think having 3 scoring lines dilutes the offensive players if you put an offensive player in their place. But currently we put Powe/Carcillo in their place. If Leino/whoever can be put there instead it isn't as big an issue. By rolling 3 scoring lines I think you open up the chances more for your offensive players. And if we condense into 2 scoring lines our third and fourth line will be black holes of offense. And I dont think the 2 scoring lines we'd create would be good enough to carry the team. Whereas a team with a superstar..their top 2 can be good enough to carry a team.

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02-10-2010, 12:04 PM
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You'd send away Briere for an inevitable first round playoff choke by Turco?

That's what Holmgren has to weigh. Losing Briere's contract is a huge bonus, but losing Briere the player makes me hesitant. Holmgren may not have a choice, if Emery is lost for the season.
I would assume we'd take the extra cap space we would end up having and bring in an actual 3rd line center with it, who I can count on to chip in a couple extra goals. Or if it's Hartnell and not Briere that's moved and somehow do something else with cap space to do that, at least he would be more useful than Hartnell. I had Kyle Brodziak picked out this time last year as someone like that.

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Flyers GM Paul Holmgren told CSNPhilly.com's Tim Panaccio last week "that [Turco deal] is not happening. There is no chance of that happening. If we had interest in Marty Turco, we’d certainly look at him over the summer. We can’t take that cap hit [at that spot]."
Well, then the Flyers will be getting Turco.
Of the goalies the Flyers have inquired about it's hard to say, but Turco is probably the best option cap aside and I can't really see them acquiring Biron again.

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02-10-2010, 12:17 PM
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Turco is trash, I hope to hell we don't get him. We need to look for talented goalies not aging useless first round choke performers

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Well, then the Flyers will be getting Turco.
Of the goalies the Flyers have inquired about it's hard to say, but Turco is probably the best option cap aside and I can't really see them acquiring Biron again.
im still riding the jaroslav halak bandwagon

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im still riding the jaroslav halak bandwagon
I'd prefer Price/Halak but the asking price is too much. Perhaps we go after Schneider or someone else?

Depends on Emery's condition.

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There could be a number of financial considerations as to why Turco is being replaced by a younger, cheaper, less experienced goaltender. The ownership situation in Dallas is a mess and, even if it wasn't, they probably don't want to pay Turco over $5M a season. I wouldn't want the Flyers to lock him up long term for that kind of money, either.
It seems most Stars fans wouldn't want to take Briere back in a trade precisely for this reason. With Briere making 7 million the next 3 years in salary it seems to be a no go from them. They could probably do Hartnell, but getting rid of Briere's contract would be so much sweeter for us.

Back to the topic of our ownership situation, as GKJ has said a deal like this would never be approved by Snider anyway. The myopicracy of this organization will forever be a giant thorn in all of our backsides. We'll always go after the big name instead of getting key role players and we'll never be able to afford a good goalie because of it. If Snider seriously thinks we can win this year with a gimpy Emery and Leighton, he's as crazy as a clown.

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Pierre LeBrun mentioned Nashville.

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Pierre LeBrun: Well, I think the Stars had looked at three young netminders: Lehtonen, Canucks prospect Cory Schneider and red-hot Canadiens netminder Jaroslav Halak. The talks with Montreal on Halak came earlier this season when his stock wasn't so darn high. So Lehtonen is was; I think he's a worthy, buy-low gamble on the part of Nieuwendyk, a future franchise goalie-in-the-making that had lost his way in Atlanta.

If I'm Nieuwendyk, I'm trying to sign Lehtonen (RFA July 1) to extension ASAP, hoping the fact that the netminder hasn't played since April 2009 because of double back surgeries will help you get a bargain contract. Under the financially strapped Tom Hicks, the Stars need to save every dime until they find a new owner. Turco remains a top-flight netminder in my mind. If Ray Emery's hip doesn't get better or if he does need surgery, you wonder if the Flyers shouldn't be trying to find a way to add insurance in either Turco or Martin Biron. Or the Blackhawks? You keep hearing whispers from people around the league that Chicago wants to upgrade in goal, although it's on the blueline where I think the Hawks will add one more body.

Burnside: Well, we saw Antti Niemi start in back-to-back games for the Hawks, and that's not good news for Cristobal Huet; but a move by either the Blackhawks or Flyers would require some lineup juggling unless Emery goes back on the injured list. If it's simply a matter of not feeling comfortable with either Huet or Emery (or Michael Leighton, who's been terrific for the Flyers), then you're looking at having to bury some salary in the minors, which most NHL owners are uncomfortable doing for a variety of reasons.

Turco makes $5.4 million this season, which almost guarantees the Stars won't be able to move him until closer to the March 3 trade deadline as opposed to this week before the Olympic roster freeze goes into effect. You're right about Lehtonen being low-risk, but unless he makes an about-face in terms of his conditioning and ability to mentally compete, he will end up simply eating cap space in Dallas.

LeBrun: Another option for the Flyers should Emery need surgery (and at this point, that remains unclear) might be one of the Nashville netminders. Pekka Rinne ($725,000 cap hit) and Dan Ellis ($1.75-million cap hit) are both slated for unrestricted free agency. Predators GM David Poile has told both of us he'll be talking to the goalies' agents during the upcoming Olympic break. My sense is if Poile can get one or the other under contract during the break, the remaining unsigned goalie could possibly be on the move come March 3 as the Preds try to add some much-needed offensive depth.

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I mentioned Rinne several times in the last week or so.

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I mentioned Rinne several times in the last week or so.

damn guy stealing my ideas
I would LOVE Pekka Rinne. That would be perfect. The guy has great size but needs some work. Still young for a goalie (27) so worth it.

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I wonder if Nashville would take Hartnell back for Rinne

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Turco been very inconsistent since the lockout. I wouldn't give up more than a lower pick for him if I was going to take him at all and I don't want or need him.

Plus the salary cap issue, I don't see how the Flyers could bring him on without losing a big contract and they're all tied up in players we need. The Flyers don't have much depth up front or on the blue line. I'm OK with Leighton and Emery with Boosh as a #3. They've been fine this year, it's the inconsistent scoring that's the problem.

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If the Stars are shedding salary, there is no way we pick-up an expiring contract for them and then send salary back in the form of Briere or Hartnell. So, I am guessing that it's just not possible.

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I wonder if Nashville would take Hartnell back for Rinne
That would work real well for them imo. Forward that they need and we get a goalie and cap space....

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The guy has great size but needs some work. Still young for a goalie (27) so worth it.
Sounds like that dude who played with Ottawa a while ago.




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Nashville sounds like a winner. Let's get it done so Habs fans stop coming here.

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I like Rinne.

Hartnell for Rinne? I'm not so sure if he would be willing to waive his clause in his contract.

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