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03-03-2010, 03:40 PM
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With no moves made, what would you rather have?

I understand a lot of guys are pissed we didnt make any moves. The way I see it is like this. If we did make a move(s) was it going to put us over the top to win the Cup? That should be the ONLY goal. If you lose in the first round of the playoffs, you might as well not make the playoffs at all. I think not doing anything was a good move. We didnt trade any prospects or picks for an aging over the hill like we usually do. So what would you rather have.
1. A first or second round playoff exit
2. Keep developing from within
I cant believe Im going to say it but....nice job Glen.............I still hate you though.


UPDATE: My mistake and I should of explained myself a little better. What I meant about no moves was that he didnt go after the over the hill overpriced talent. NOT that he didnt dump anyones salary.


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Jokinen and Prospal are two UFAs that hold value. They could have fetched some picks. Sell. Sell. Sell. Sell.

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Jokinen and Prospal are two UFAs that hold value. They could have fetched some picks. Sell. Sell. Sell. Sell.
This.

Coupled with the fact that it was clearly a seller's market, we could have gotten good value back for them. Prospal and Jokinen would have been the 2 best players available today.

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03-03-2010, 03:44 PM
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Did this really require a separate thread?

And as I've stated 100 times already, if Sather doesn't feel that there are any moves out there worth it in terms of improving the team, then you sell. He didn't do that, and thus, he failed.

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Jokinen and Prospal are two UFAs that hold value. They could have fetched some picks. Sell. Sell. Sell. Sell.
THIS times 1000000000000000000000000000.

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03-03-2010, 03:47 PM
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I agree, there is no point of making the playoffs if we are not going to win the cup. I don't think we have a chance of doing that this year, but i would love for them to prove me wrong.

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If you SELLERS were the OWNERS of the NEW YORK RANGERS and stood to lose MILLIONS on the prospect of getting a draft pick or three that might or might not someday be NHL players, you'd be singing a completely different tune.

Teams in, or tied, for a playoff berth do not sell. Stop it. STOP IT. The deadline is over.

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03-03-2010, 03:50 PM
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If you SELLERS were the OWNERS of the NEW YORK RANGERS and stood to lose MILLIONS on the prospect of getting a draft pick or three that might or might not someday be NHL players, you'd be singing a completely different tune.

Teams in, or tied, for a playoff berth do not sell. Stop it. STOP IT. The deadline is over.
You know what else gets owners a lot of money? Winning a Stanley Cup. The current trend isn't going to get us anywhere near that.

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You know what else gets owners a lot of money? Winning a Stanley Cup. The current trend isn't going to get us anywhere near that.
There are no guarantees of that ever, and I don't care how many draft picks you have to use. Be realistic.

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Sather wants us in the playoffs, he wasnt selling. Im also glad he didnt trade Girardi. and I am glad he didnt pay the high price for help like some of the other franchises did.

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Feasibly we could have gotten 2 1st round picks or a low 1st/2nd for Prospal and Olli... shoulda sold, oh well. (combined, not each).

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There are no guarantees of that ever, and I don't care how many draft picks you have to use. Be realistic.
Take your own advice. This team has no chance in the playoffs, and this is just par for the course. Delaying the inevitable. This team will never be a serious contender until it makes the big sacrifice.

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03-03-2010, 03:56 PM
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We didn't do nothing. Sather got Andres Erikkson from Phoenix..............so there!

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Take your own advice. This team has no chance in the playoffs, and this is just par for the course. Delaying the inevitable. This team will never be a serious contender until it makes the big sacrifice.
Which is what, pulling a Penguins or Capitals and sucking for years to get high draft picks? That's the new NHL magic formula? Sorry, but that sucks.

You can't sell when you're sitting in a playoff spot.

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very good trade

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Which is what, pulling a Penguins or Capitals and sucking for years to get high draft picks? That's the new NHL magic formula? Sorry, but that sucks.

You can't sell when you're sitting in a playoff spot.
Yeah, that really sucks. It's certainly not as good as watching ****** teams every single season who, if we're lucky, will play as many as 7 extra ****** games.

Newsflash: That's the way salary cap leagues work. So either get used to it, or get used to this every year.

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very good trade
You are cracking me up.

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There are no guarantees of that ever, and I don't care how many draft picks you have to use. Be realistic.
And there's no guarantee that the Rangers make the playoffs, either.

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Yeah, that really sucks. It's certainly not as good as watching ****** teams every single season who, if we're lucky, will play as many as 7 extra ****** games.
Yeah! We could be the Devils and finish first in the conference or the division for four years in a row and have JUST AS MANY playoff wins as the Rangers over those four years.

I'm not going argue about deliberately developing a legacy of losing to get better draft picks. It's asinine. We're playing with a ton of young players and are one of the youngest teams in the league. Do we have a shot this year? I don't think so. Next year? Maybe not. 3 years from now, with Staal, Gilroy, Anisimov, Grachev, Kreider, Borque, etc... a few years older? I don't know. No one does. At least this organization is getting younger and our younger players are better than they used to be. Winning a Cup isn't easy - and it's even harder now in the salary cap era. You know there's parity when the 'Yotes are huge buyers believing they have a chance.

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Yeah! We could be the Devils and finish first in the conference or the division for four years in a row and have JUST AS MANY playoff wins as the Rangers over those four years.

I'm not going argue about deliberately developing a legacy of losing to get better draft picks. It's asinine. We're playing with a ton of young players and are one of the youngest teams in the league. Do we have a shot this year? I don't think so. Next year? Maybe not. 3 years from now, with Staal, Gilroy, Anisimov, Grachev, Kreider, Borque, etc... a few years older? I don't know. No one does. At least this organization is getting younger and our younger players are better than they used to be. Winning a Cup isn't easy - and it's even harder now in the salary cap era. You know there's parity when the 'Yotes are huge buyers believing they have a chance.


Bettman owns the Yotes. It is easy to buy with other peoples money!

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Bettman owns the Yotes. It is easy to buy with other peoples money!
LOL. Yeah. "NHL wins the Stanley Cup!"

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Yeah! We could be the Devils and finish first in the conference or the division for four years in a row and have JUST AS MANY playoff wins as the Rangers over those four years.
Well, the Devils won 3 Stanley Cups in the time since we won our only Stanley Cup in the last 70 years.

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I'm not going argue about deliberately developing a legacy of losing to get better draft picks. It's asinine. We're playing with a ton of young players and are one of the youngest teams in the league. Do we have a shot this year? I don't think so. Next year? Maybe not. 3 years from now, with Staal, Gilroy, Anisimov, Grachev, Kreider, Borque, etc... a few years older? I don't know. No one does. At least this organization is getting younger and our younger players are better than they used to be. Winning a Cup isn't easy - and it's even harder now in the salary cap era. You know there's parity when the 'Yotes are huge buyers believing they have a chance.
How does any of this change the fact that the Rangers are not heading in the right direction? In fact, it helps my point.

You're right, we don't have a shot this year. Or next year. I believe we don't have a shot anytime soon, and while you may not know, I don't have many doubts about it. That's why it's silly to hold on to players that hold no meaning for our future just so we can MAYBE make the playoffs.

We could have gotten numerous second round picks, at least. Do you really need me to provide you with a list of NHLers that were drafted in the second round that would immediately change our franchise if they joined our team?

Hey, why take a chance to draft a Mike Cammalleri, a Shea Weber, a Duncan Keith, Patrice Bergeron, David Backes, etc etc when instead we can hold onto 35 year old Vinny Prospal and his Hulk Hogan tan and get thoroughly spanked by the Penguins or the Caps. Yeah!

**** a shot at a Derek Roy or Loui Erikkson when we can watch Olli Jokinen grow the very beginnings of a frightening mustache until he goes back to Finland about a week or two after the playoffs start.

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AFAIK, the Rangers have gotten younger pretty much every year for the past several years since the lockout, they have also maintained a fairly high ranking in terms of prospects (though most of our best ones right now are still a few years away), and have made the playoffs every year during that time. They also will likely go after Ilya Kovalchuk this offseason with everything they can, and if they get him, will have 3 superstars to build around, and some very damn good young talent to put around them...and with contracts like Drury and Rozsival expiring in 2 years, they will also have the funds to retain their own players.

Things are heading in the right direction, granted a lot of it depends on
1)Signing Kovalchuk
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2)Getting rid of Wade Redden.

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I've figured it out.

Sather thinks he's going to get LeBron.

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Everyone here (for the most part) must be smokin some good stuff to think that Prospal and Jokinen could net 1st round picks. Jokinen was going NOWHERE with that 5 million salary and Prospal would not net a 1st rounder if Ray Whitney wasn't going to get one either. To me, trading for a contenders 2nd round pick is worthless, if you get anybody who can play in the NHl and not be a AHL lifer that would be an accomplishment.

Furthermore, we are still in the hunt for a playoff spot and all we need is for certain players to get Hot and we can make a good run. If the Carolina Hurricanes could do it last year, so can we so why sell off young assests to draft 3 5 places higher for what will probably be a dud.

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