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02-13-2010, 02:50 PM
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Dubi lacks game to game consistency. Some games he looks like Mike Richards (imho his most comparable player), some games he looks like a mediocre 3rd liner. If Dubi can gain consistency, he's going to be a steady 60-80 point guy, like Richards, with some serious leadership ability, and some snarl.

A problem Dubi has is that he isn't that intelligent of a player. He's not a dumb player by any means, but his hockey IQ is average, at best. So he needs to work all that much more to elevate his game to that of a first liner. So far in his career he's been a different player from game to game, and even frustratingly from shift to shift. I definitely wouldn't call him lazy, i'd call him young, and inexperienced with some holes in his game that need to be filled.
and yet his production is decreasing every season. you'd think more ice time = more points. is he becoming more inconsistent?

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and yet his production is decreasing every season. you'd think more ice time = more points. is he becoming more inconsistent?
Dubinskys 1st year in the NHL: .488 PPG (points per game)
2nd year: .5 PPG
3rd year (this year): .646 PPG


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Dubinskys 1st year in the NHL: .488 PPG (points per game)
2nd year: .5 PPG
3rd year (this year): .646 PPG

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Dubinskys 1st year in the NHL: .488 PPG (points per game)
2nd year: .5 PPG
3rd year (this year): .646 PPG


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Dubinskys 1st year in the NHL: .488 PPG (points per game)
2nd year: .5 PPG
3rd year (this year): .646 PPG

I'm talking about points against time on ice.

1st year: 1 point every 29:43 min
2nd year: 1 point every 33:15 min
3rd year: 1 point every 30:23 min (ok, better than year 2 but not year 1)


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What do you guys realistically see as Dubi's upside?

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I'm talking about points against time on ice.

1st year: 1 point every 29:43 min
2nd year: 1 point every 33:15 min
3rd year: 1 point every 30:23 min (ok, better than year 2 but not year 1)

PPTOI/G
1: 2:24
2: 2:16
3: 2:09

SHTOI/G
1: :08
2: :59
3: 2:22

His PPTOI/G has gone down every year, and his SHTOI/G has gone up every year. He's spending more of those minutes killing penalties than on the PP, and yet his point production has gone UP. Try doing the math again factoring in the increased time killing penalties and decreased time spent with the man advantage.

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What do you guys realistically see as Dubi's upside?
inferno is right in that he has had some pretty brilliant games but they don't come often enough which is really frustrating. the good news is that he is only 23 years old. if he can find consistency, he could be really good. if we can wait the 5 years it will probably take for him to get there, it might be worth it. He just has to be sure not to price himself out of our lineup with salary demands.

in looking at slow starters, while Dubinsky did not have the wild junior success of a 2nd overall pick in Patrick Marleau (51-74-125 in 71 games), Marleau took forever to be at his current level. His point totals each season...

32, 45, 40, 52, 44

57, 57, 86, 78, 48

71, on pace for 51 goals, 86 pts this season.

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I'm really having a difficult time comprehending all the negative feelings regarding Dubinsky.

Yes, he may "only" top out as a #2 (or perhaps a 2A center) who will deliver only 55-60 points a year in his prime. But 60 points is 20 goals + 40 assists (or 15+45 or 25+35), not bad stats. The top elite teams usually or strong throughout their lineup and almost always have a strong #2 man. Dubby can be a perfect #2 man if we give him a chance to mature.

Yes, he is still frustratingly inconsistent. But he is still finding himself and maturing. We all wish he was further along on his development curve, but many are to harsh on him and demonstrate little patience.

In the big picture, the Rangers are a low-energy, non-physical team. When he is on his game Dubby is one of the few to play with a physical edge and with energy. It doesn't happen often enough but likely will with maturity.

Compare him say to Stephen Weiss. Sure Weiss in a much more talented offensive player but will never play with the edge Dubby sometime demonstrates.

Plus......if he matures into the player I hope and am confident he will, he is one of the future leaders of the team...perhaps even a captain.

Of course, if the right trade came along I would deal him. But overall, as frustrated as I am with his inconsistent play, I am not in the least ready to give up on him. In many ways I am very happy with his development. Sometimes we don't appreciate what we have and only dwell on what is in the pipeline. If Ethan Werek develops into another Dubinsky, that would be great. Lets appreciate what we have here: a young potentially fine 60 point #2 center who plays with an edge, intensity, and a physical aspect to his game. He is not there yet but the glimpses of it are. Give the guy some slack. He may ultimately disappoint, but I am far from saying he will do so. In fact, I have every confidence that he will be a fine and key player for us for many years.

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PPTOI/G
1: 2:24
2: 2:16
3: 2:09

SHTOI/G
1: :08
2: :59
3: 2:22

His PPTOI/G has gone down every year, and his SHTOI/G has gone up every year. He's spending more of those minutes killing penalties than on the PP, and yet his point production has gone UP. Try doing the math again factoring in the increased time killing penalties and decreased time spent with the man advantage.
19:38 - 2:22 = 17:16 ES/PP TOI
16:38 - 0:59 = 15:39
14:30 - 0:08 = 14:22

according to my math, he is still getting more attack time each season and still putting up the same numbers. less production in my book but it's not so drastic to cause worry. I'm not too concerned about your 15 seconds less PP time compared to year one. you do make a good point about the 2+ min of additional PK time though. I just think saying he is improving his production is wrong. he's doing about the same. he's young and he'll probably be like this for the next 5 years before he starts to figure it all out. Unfortunately the Rangers don't have a good history of waiting that long.

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Because we have not been able to produce a bona fide first liner in so long, I think many were hoping Dubinsky could be that guy. The fact that he seems to be leveling out as a second liner has left a lot of people disappointed, even more so because we came into the season with him as our number one center. No one would be complaining about his production if we had a legit #1 pivot in the lineup. I'll take Dubinsky on my second line every day of the week.

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Dear Sather,

If you were reading this board, I really don't consider Cogliano an elite scorer. Why are you so dumb and bad at your job?

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