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02-11-2010, 06:20 PM
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Who here can better the city?

I keep posting this in multiple threads, but nobody answers....

Can anybody here even compete with the bid katz made?

How about Mr Hughes? I don't even think he's here anymore after selling his house.

Shaws left.

There's an 18 MILL house off of Whitemud here.

Bill lives in Phoenix a lot, etc.

Never mind a rich guy getting richer. I know it's a HUGE point, but lets get past that.

For any negative people, why don't you wan't this to go forward?

It will help the entire city.

Katz will benefit from it down the road, but who cares. That's how the world works. Some are rich and a lot are in the middle or poor.

Doesn't anybody want this city to be better?

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It will help the entire city.
Really? Or instead of "entire city", did you actually mean to type "people who frequent Oiler games"?

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02-11-2010, 06:35 PM
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Really? Or instead of "entire city", did you actually mean to type "people who frequent Oiler games"?
Actually no. It won't just help the Oilers.

It's an overall improvement, but you just solidify my point. No forward movement.

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He or She takes a pretty strong forwarded approach, etc, but I agree with SFO

People in this city need to open their minds.

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I wouldn't worry about what the geriatrics and other such whiners have to say about the project.

It's going to get built whether they like it or not.

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Actually no. It won't just help the Oilers.

It's an overall improvement, but you just solidify my point. No forward movement.
And it won't help the entire city as you suggest. Personally, unless provincial or federal money gets involved, I have no stake in it, so I'm not too concerned. Just speaking as an unbiased outside observer.

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I wouldn't worry about what the geriatrics and other such whiners have to say about the project.

It's going to get built whether they like it or not.
We can't label people overall

Everybody has their point of view.

My question was just who has the motivation, never mind their bank account, to build this thing in Edmonton?

How many people do you know that are worth over 1-2 BILLION dollars?

How many of them do you know live in a city called Edmonton?

Nobody disagrees about the merit and morale about the bid.

Who in this city can step up and say " I WANT TO INVEST HERE 100% AND I WANT TO LIVE HERE WITH MY MONEY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE"?

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Really? Or instead of "entire city", did you actually mean to type "people who frequent Oiler games"?
And by "people who frequent Oiler games" did you actually mean to type "people who frequent concerts, Oiler games, rodeos, shows of other sorts, conventions, live downtown, work downtown, spend rec time downtown, eat downtown, tourists who want to stay downtown, students"?

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You know what would "better the city"?

Curbing sprawl, investing in infrastructure and funding some responsive social programs to deal with all of those "lazy" drunks you keep stepping over. Expanding transit (working on it), subsidizing education and cultivating some f-ing common sense regarding the importance of neighbourhood and community to the greater economic and cultural well being of the city.

A huge corporate multi-plex in a tiny, underpopulated downtown doesn't address any of these things.

If you're going to wait for some benevolent capitalist to come and fix the city, you'll be waiting awhile. People don't often get rich by being considerate and non-pursuant of power.

Why don't you try doing something on a smaller scale to improve Edmonton yourself?

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And by "people who frequent Oiler games" did you actually mean to type "people who frequent concerts, Oiler games, rodeos, shows of other sorts, conventions, live downtown, work downtown, spend rec time downtown, eat downtown, tourists who want to stay downtown, students"?
I don't think he did.

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You know what would "better the city"?

Curbing sprawl, investing in infrastructure and funding some responsive social programs to deal with all of those "lazy" drunks you keep stepping over. Expanding transit (working on it), subsidizing education and cultivating some f-ing common sense regarding the importance of neighbourhood and community to the greater economic and cultural well being of the city.

A huge corporate multi-plex in a tiny, underpopulated downtown doesn't address any of these things.

If you're going to wait for some benevolent capitalist to come and fix the city, you'll be waiting awhile. People don't often get rich by being considerate and non-pursuant of power.

Why don't you try doing something on a smaller scale to improve Edmonton yourself?
So why did we spend money on the Art Gallery, Museum, Citadel theatre, Jubilee?

You are right, we should spend NOTHING on anything that will make citizens actually want to stay and work here!

We should continually let our educated working people go to cities that actually think that "quality of life" means something.

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You know what would "better the city"?

Curbing sprawl, investing in infrastructure and funding some responsive social programs to deal with all of those "lazy" drunks you keep stepping over. Expanding transit (working on it), subsidizing education and cultivating some f-ing common sense regarding the importance of neighbourhood and community to the greater economic and cultural well being of the city.


A huge corporate multi-plex in a tiny, underpopulated downtown doesn't address any of these things.

If you're going to wait for some benevolent capitalist to come and fix the city, you'll be waiting awhile. People don't often get rich by being considerate and non-pursuant of power.

Why don't you try doing something on a smaller scale to improve Edmonton yourself?
Wow

I'm Not trying to do anything. I'm telling people, like yourself, to wake up.

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What is this city known for?

What is Nashville and Las Vegas known for?

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You know what would "better the city"?

Curbing sprawl, investing in infrastructure and funding some responsive social programs to deal with all of those "lazy" drunks you keep stepping over. Expanding transit (working on it), subsidizing education and cultivating some f-ing common sense regarding the importance of neighbourhood and community to the greater economic and cultural well being of the city.

A huge corporate multi-plex in a tiny, underpopulated downtown doesn't address any of these things.

If you're going to wait for some benevolent capitalist to come and fix the city, you'll be waiting awhile. People don't often get rich by being considerate and non-pursuant of power.

Why don't you try doing something on a smaller scale to improve Edmonton yourself?
the huge corporate multiplex will be the thing that gets the ball rolling though, that and the fact that it will remove the casino, and put a huge roadblock in the way of bums getting from chinatown to downtown. This is truly a once in a generation chance, and it will happen, if the city doesn't want the taxes (which is only the first offer btw) then Katz will build the whole thing himself, it just means he puts more up front, and it's all about investment capital. He'll get it all back.

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What an odd thread.

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What an odd thread.
It is different.

People Bi*** and m***

Who in this city can improve it? Even though they could make money.

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I agree al taxpayers in edmonton from all over the city no matter what age, no matter if they like hockey or ever want to go downtown should just fork over their tax dollars, with no guarantees and no due diligence. It will make the city better!

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Really? Or instead of "entire city", did you actually mean to type "people who frequent Oiler games"?

How about some civic pride? How about a couple world class locations that improve our image. How about something that helps clean up the crack corner of downtown?

I can't believe people don't want to improve out downtown core, it is pitiful for a city this size.
Know what would stop some urban sprawl people seemed concerned with? A core that isn't scary as **** at night. I am a big dude and I don't go downtown after dark if I'm on foot.

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Never mind who can.

Who is stepping up?

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So why did we spend money on the Art Gallery, Museum, Citadel theatre, Jubilee?

You are right, we should spend NOTHING on anything that will make citizens actually want to stay and work here!

We should continually let our educated working people go to cities that actually think that "quality of life" means something.
Did you seriously just compare four publicly funded cultural institutions to a billion dollar hotel and arena facility? Seriously?

Is the fact that the Oiler games are only accessible to the somewhat well-off relevant at all to this apple-orange paradigm you're working with?

That's what kills me about Alberta: there's always talk about cutting the rich some breaks, making sure that foreign oil companies get their "fair share" of our paltry resource royalties. Meanwhile, the poor are assured that the wealth will simply trickle down once everyone's got their huge, resource sapping projects off the ground.

Well, the poor are still waiting. The rich complain about the crappy looking neighbourhoods and beggars and stabbings. Strange that no one connects the dots.

Sorry to sound so sanctimonious here, everyone. I bleed because I care.

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What is this city known for?

What is Nashville and Las Vegas known for?

Are you saying that the Oilers are to Edmonton what country music and gambling respectively are to those cities?

I just have to entirely disagree with that.

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I agree al taxpayers in edmonton from all over the city no matter what age, no matter if they like hockey or ever want to go downtown should just fork over their tax dollars, with no guarantees and no due diligence. It will make the city better!
wow

what do you feel about a guy like Katx who has the resources to make this city better?

What would u want a guy like him to do instead?

That's IF he wanted to

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the huge corporate multiplex will be the thing that gets the ball rolling though, that and the fact that it will remove the casino, and put a huge roadblock in the way of bums getting from chinatown to downtown. This is truly a once in a generation chance, and it will happen, if the city doesn't want the taxes (which is only the first offer btw) then Katz will build the whole thing himself, it just means he puts more up front, and it's all about investment capital. He'll get it all back.
I think that you've just neatly summed up Klein-era problem solving. Nicely done.

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Are you saying that the Oilers are to Edmonton what country music and gambling respectively are to those cities?

I just have to entirely disagree with that.
I am for the most part.

You mention Edmonton and you hear "Oilers?" or "WEM?"

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It is different.

People Bi*** and m***

Who in this city can improve it? Even though they could make money.
umm ok.

I'd say everyone who lives in Edmonton can actually do something to improve the city.

What are you getting at?

If the city of Edmonton forked me over even a paltry 10 million dollars I can assure you I would easily start a business and, therefore, magically improve the city as well.

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