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02-12-2010, 09:24 AM
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Habs trade 2nd rounder (2011) for Dominic Moore Part 2

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Moore made it to part 2 before Frolov's gloves!

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i dont care .

i dont care if he resigned for 2 more years in Montreal

it aint EVER OR NEVER WILL BE worth a 2nd rounder for 19 games of his services.

loook around the NHL , there 100's of other guys id give up a 2nd rounder for .

Moore isnt even close.

Glen Metro is a great player for us ,yet you'd never dream of giving a 2nd rounder to get him .

as i said before, its not Moore i have the problem with ...
Fair enough, but what makes this 2nd round pick so valuable? I know it's been brought up that Subban, Kristo, Latendresse etc...have been drafted by 2nd round picks. Who's to say that those type(s) of players will be available when the time comes to use that pick?

It looks like Gauthier is prepping the team for a shot at the playoffs. To help accomplish this, we needed to strengthen our bottom 6. Now Moore probably wouldn't have been my first choice. But the bottom line is, our bottom 6 is stronger after this trade, than it was before.

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02-12-2010, 09:41 AM
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Fair enough, but what makes this 2nd round pick so valuable? I know it's been brought up that Subban, Kristo, Latendresse etc...have been drafted by 2nd round picks. Who's to say that those type(s) of players will be available when the time comes to use that pick?

It looks like Gauthier is prepping the team for a shot at the playoffs. To help accomplish this, we needed to strengthen our bottom 6. Now Moore probably wouldn't have been my first choice. But the bottom line is, our bottom 6 is stronger after this trade, than it was before.
i would forfit(be willing to give up) our next 10 years of first round picks if this was our team , WHO are all SECOND ROUND PICKS.

what so valuable about a second rouid pick your ask?go tell the Bruins fans you will give them a second rounder for Lucic .Go tell the Blues fans you will given them a 2nd for


Milan Lucic
James Neal
Paul Stastny
Guillaume Latendresse
Dave Bolland Blake
Comeau Enver Lisin
David Booth
David Krejci
Brandon Dubinsky
Loui Eriksson
Patrice Bergeron
Shea Weber
B.J. Crombeen
David Backes
Patrick O'Sullivan
Jarret Stoll
Matt Greene
Duncan Keith
Derek Roy
Mike Cammalleri
Jason Pominville
Ilya Bryzgalov
Antoine Vermette
Paul Martin
Jordan Leopold

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02-12-2010, 09:44 AM
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No doubt 2nd round picks are valuable. I don't disagree that this was somewhat of an overpayment, however he fills a big need. Right now we have no real checking line, stick Moore with Moen and Lapierre/SK and you have a quality NHL checking line. He acn kill penalities and get a lot of taht off Plekanec's plate, freeing him up for a more offensive role. Same for key faceoffs, he can take some stress off Gomez and Pleks there also. Metro is not big enough or good enough defensively to play that role.

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Cullen to Ottawa for 2nd + Picard

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The Pens got Bill Guerin last year for a late 3rd rounder.

This is an overrpayment in my opinion. I find it hard to believe there was a large market for this player, especially considering anyone could have signed him all last summer.

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Cullen to Ottawa for 2nd + Picard
Here's why Gauthier didn't get him...

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Here's why Gauthier didn't get him...
Picard is a bust.

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Picard is a bust.
What does that matter, they still got a roster player and a 2nd for Cullen, and a lot of people here were saying it would only take a 2nd to get Cullen.

People need to start using a little more logic. The report said that Carolina wanted at least a 2nd for Cullen and there were 4 teams interested. That tells me it is going to cost more than a 2nd rounder for him.

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What does that matter, they still got a roster player and a 2nd for Cullen, and a lot of people here were saying it would only take a 2nd to get Cullen.

People need to start using a little more logic. The report said that Carolina wanted at least a 2nd for Cullen and there were 4 teams interested. That tells me it is going to cost more than a 2nd rounder for him.
Of course, but Cullen is a much much more useful player than Moore. Still a slight overpayment by Ottawa, but Cullen addresses a need. They can roll 3 offensive lines with him in.

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i would forfit(be willing to give up) our next 10 years of first round picks if this was our team , WHO are all SECOND ROUND PICKS.

what so valuable about a second rouid pick your ask?go tell the Bruins fans you will give them a second rounder for Lucic .Go tell the Blues fans you will given them a 2nd for
You understand that the majority of second round picks never amount to anything? That listing a big list of successful 2nd round picks is completely bankrupt as an argument? Please tell me you understand that.

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Of course, but Cullen is a much much more useful player than Moore.
And also wouldn't fit under the cap.

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And also wouldn't fit under the cap.
I never said I wanted to see Cullen here instead of Moore. I just did not want to see Moore.

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Picard is a bust.
He's maybe a bust, but he was also the 4th D in a very good Ottawa team...

Ottawa 2010 2nd round + Picard is 2 times better than our 2011 2nd round...

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I never said I wanted to see Cullen here instead of Moore. I just did not want to see Moore.
No you were implying that Cullen would be a better pickup than Moore.

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i would forfit(be willing to give up) our next 10 years of first round picks if this was our team , WHO are all SECOND ROUND PICKS.

what so valuable about a second rouid pick your ask?go tell the Bruins fans you will give them a second rounder for Lucic .Go tell the Blues fans you will given them a 2nd for


Milan Lucic
James Neal
Paul Stastny
Guillaume Latendresse
Dave Bolland Blake
Comeau Enver Lisin
David Booth
David Krejci
Brandon Dubinsky
Loui Eriksson
Patrice Bergeron
Shea Weber
B.J. Crombeen
David Backes
Patrick O'Sullivan
Jarret Stoll
Matt Greene
Duncan Keith
Derek Roy
Mike Cammalleri
Jason Pominville
Ilya Bryzgalov
Antoine Vermette
Paul Martin
Jordan Leopold
Impressive list, but I'm sure I could counter with a list that equals this, but from a negative side. The point is you're blindly jumping to conclusions without giving this anytime.

I'm not saying this is a great trade, what I'm saying is I'm willing to wait and see what comes of this before making my decision.

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No you were implying that Cullen would be a better pickup than Moore.
And he is. But never did I say that we should've went for him instead of Moore.

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a 2nd rd pick in 2011 = 4rd pick in 2010 imo, the 2011 draft is weak like 1999 and you will see like in 2007 draft pick get traded left and right...so stop the whining jesus christ

btw we're now in part 2 LOL

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Here's why Gauthier didn't get him...
Cullen would have cost us our 2nd in 2010 and who ? O'byrne?


No thx

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He's maybe a bust, but he was also the 4th D in a very good Ottawa team...

Ottawa 2010 2nd round + Picard is 2 times better than our 2011 2nd round...
He's not Ottawa's 4th D. He's been a healthy scratch recently until Karlsson got hurt. Totally expendable from Ottawa's perspective.

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Impressive list, but I'm sure I could counter with a list that equals this, but from a negative side. The point is you're blindly jumping to conclusions without giving this anytime.

I'm not saying this is a great trade, what I'm saying is I'm willing to wait and see what comes of this before making my decision.
While on the surface I am not impressed with the move, like you I am willing to wait and see what Moore brings to this team. Maybe we will get lucky and he will find his groove with the Habs and totally make the trade worthwhile.

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To Flo

Dominic Moore

To Mtl

2nd Round Pick (2011)

I would do this.. so bad trade.

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Impressive list, but I'm sure I could counter with a list that equals this, but from a negative side. The point is you're blindly jumping to conclusions without giving this anytime.

I'm not saying this is a great trade, what I'm saying is I'm willing to wait and see what comes of this before making my decision.
H10H, I think he has a legit point.

You're not giving up said players, but you're giving up a possibility of getting such players.

If you enter the draft with less picks, you're less likely to get good players out of that draft. That's pretty simple. If we're giving up a few more picks without getting any back until the 2011 draft, we could very well have nothing more than some fringe NHLers out of those 2 drafts. Not what's good for long-term success.

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