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02-12-2010, 02:23 PM
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Wild have traded D Kim Johnsson and first round pick Nick Leddy to Chi for Cam Barker

The Chicago Blackhawks have dealt defenceman Cam Barker to the Minnesota Wild for defenceman Kim Johnsson and 2009 first round pick Nick Leddy.


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02-12-2010, 02:26 PM
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Here's a link

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=309956

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Seems like a pretty good deal for both teams.

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You should probably put Barker's name in the title. He's the best player involved.

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Good for Minny.

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Really good move by Minny.

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And the Oilers sit around stuck with Tom Gilbert and his immovable $4 MIL contract.

What an absolute disgrace of a signing.

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02-12-2010, 02:33 PM
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And the Oilers sit around stuck with Tom Gilbert and his immovable $4 MIL contract.

What an absolute disgrace of a signing.
Gilbert is easily better than Barker.

One of these players actually has a history of scoring points at ES and playing big defensive minutes. The other has only draft pedigree.

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Great job not getting involved in any of this 'trading' foolishness Tambellini! Wouldn't want to see anybody mess up a team that's this close to being a contender/NW division winner (according to people who have had important jobs with the org. in the last 2 years), we just need our SC winning 81 year old goalie to be healthy again and we'll be fine.

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Gilbert is easily better than Barker.

One of these players actually has a history of scoring points at ES and playing big defensive minutes. The other has only draft pedigree.
I would take Barker and his salary over Gilbert's at this point in time.
Barker had 40 points last season (in 68 games).

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Gilbert is easily better than Barker.

One of these players actually has a history of scoring points at ES and playing big defensive minutes. The other has only draft pedigree.


Yet Barker is moved and we are here stuck with Gilbertina.

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I would take Barker and his salary over Gilbert's at this point in time.
Barker had 40 points last season (in 68 games).
PP points.

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With a caveat that I know absolutely nothing about Nick Leddy, I'd say that this is a very nice trade for Minny.

Would this be similar to a Gilbert & Peckham type offer? Johnsson & Leddy?

Not sure what Johnsson's contract status is at the end of the season, but he makes 5.3mil for this season.

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Not sure what Johnsson's contract status is at the end of the season, but he makes 5.3mil for this season.
He's a UFA, which makes all the difference to Chicago. They wouldn't want any of our d-men for that reason, people.

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He's a UFA, which makes all the difference to Chicago. They wouldn't want any of our d-men for that reason, people.
Ah.. that's what I was getting at there, thanks!

I figured Chicago wouldn't want to take on salary, was sort of surprised when I saw Johnsson's salary, but this explains it.

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And the Oilers sit around stuck with Tom Gilbert and his immovable $4 MIL contract.

What an absolute disgrace of a signing.
IMO, just as bad as Shawn Horcoff's deal. Absurd.

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The Oilers are at a disadvantage with trades like these because we don't really have any valuable pieces that are on expiring contracts. Cam Barker would have been a nice building block for our blueline but I doubt we have anything that Chicago would have been interested in in return. Maybe if Grebeshkov was playing half decent hockey but that hasn't been the case for a year now.

And seriously, someone would rather have Tom Gilbert than Cam Barker? Barker is 4 years younger, cheaper, signed for a shorter term, plays far more physically, is bigger, has a better point shot, etc. He was also the youngest defensemen in the top 20 in PPG last year for defensemen. The only way we get away from Gilbert is if he's moved for an equally bad contract.

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PP points.
I know ES points are better, but what is so bad about racking up PP points? The object of the powerplay is, obviously, to take advantage and score. Teams who excel at this aspect usually experience a lot of success, and it takes certain players to do that.

Again, why is scoring on the PP so damned frowned upon? I know the stats guys see it as an indication that someone has an incomplete game, yet the same people will defend someone like Gilbert for having an incomplete game because he's not a "physical" or "stay-at-home" defenceman. How about those muckers and grinders who don't contribute much offensively, but play a solid defensive game? Should they be ragged on for not being complete?

So, again, what is so bad about scoring on the PP or being a PP specialist? Everyone has a niche.

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I know ES points are better, but what is so bad about racking up PP points? The object of the powerplay is, obviously, to take advantage and score. Teams who excel at this aspect usually experience a lot of success, and it takes certain players to do that.

Again, why is scoring on the PP so damned frowned upon? I know the stats guys see it as an indication that someone has an incomplete game, yet the same people will defend someone like Gilbert for having an incomplete game because he's not a "physical" or "stay-at-home" defenceman.

So, again, what is so bad about scoring on the PP or being a PP specialist? Everyone has a niche.
There are plenty of players who can play "just" that particular Niche.

When you're Cam Barker and you are, quite frankly, a vacuous waste defensively to rival the worst in the league - you better be able to do something at ES. He's a 24 year old former top-3 pick who has had fans pushing him out of the door for 2 years - there's a reason for that.

He's freaking Jason Strudwick with a point shot, is what he is.

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There are plenty of players who can play "just" that particular Niche.

When you're Cam Barker and you are, quite frankly, a vacuous waste defensively to rival the worst in the league - you better be able to do something at ES. He's a 24 year old former top-3 pick who has had fans pushing him out of the door for 2 years - there's a reason for that.

He's freaking Jason Strudwick with a point shot, is what he is.
You could say the exact same thing about Tom Gilbert. Soft in his own zone, rode the wave of 2nd assists in his best scoring season, and has been almost totally ineffective this season. What has he done at ES this season?

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You could say the exact same thing about Tom Gilbert. Soft in his own zone, rode the wave of 2nd assists in his best scoring season, and has been almost totally ineffective this season. What has he done at ES this season?
You can say it... you'd be wrong, but you can say it.

He plays 22 minutes a game against the absolute best the other team has to offer with mediocre linemates and has middle-of-the-league results in ES GA.

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I've got to side with SK13 in this debate. Barker's a little over-rated in my mind - another example of people looking too much at draft order and point product. He's been mostly sheltered from tough opposition by Keith/Seabrook in Chicago, and yet his defensive weaknesses are fairly well known (for this reason he's had almost no time on the PK). He may be big, but he doesn't play very physically as others might suggest (barely averages 1 hit/game). He's also not that much more affordable than Gilbert (1M less).

I expect his weaknesses will be exposed fairly quickly once he gets matched against other opponents. By the time he develops a little more to round out his game (still a big if), he'll be asking for an even bigger contract than Gilbert.

I'd rather take my chances with Gilbert at this point. Barker does not help this team in any way, except in potential. He would only make an already porous defense more porous.

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I have been following Barker for awhile and will have to say that I would take Barker over Gilbert

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I have been following Barker for awhile and will have to say that I would take Barker over Gilbert
Ditto. If were a one-for-one straight up deal, Barker (IMO) wins.

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IMO, just as bad as Shawn Horcoff's deal. Absurd.
Weren't you the one who said, "Who are we to criticize GM's?" And no your questioning two signings by our beloved GM?


Good move for both teams I think. While Barker is nice, he cannot play defense. He scored points really well, no doubt, but that was mostly on a VERY talented PP. Keith, Toews and Kane on the same PP will boost anyone's numbers.

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