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Nodar Kumaritashvili

View Poll Results: Should TSN/SPORTSNET have televized his death?
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02-13-2010, 04:48 AM
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Nodar Kumaritashvili

Should TSN/SPORTSNET have showen the footage of this young mans poor demise? I think not.

A black eye for Canadian broadcasting in my opinion.


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02-13-2010, 04:59 AM
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Pretty sure all the American broadcasters showed it also at least im 99% sure NBC did.

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02-13-2010, 05:11 AM
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Unfortunate all in all. I hope they at least made an announcement before rolling it.

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Here in Australia they're obviously talking about it, but are showing class by not televising it.

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02-13-2010, 05:45 AM
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I think it should be televised, as long as viewers are pre-warned of disturbing footage. It's on the internet already, it's out there. Should they also not air fatal multi-car pile-ups, war footage, plane crashes, 9/11 footage? Maybe they should also not air footage of a house fire because someone got killed in the house? Is the threshold the fact that you could see the body? If so, you should have heeded the disturbing footage warning and changed the channel.

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i heard he died en route to hospital, whether thats the truth or just something the media says to soften the blow of the footage, idk.

if it is true, they arent televising his death, just the circumstances that ultimately lead to him passing away. and it would be similar to dale earnhardts crash being televised years ago.

if they decide to show it, then they should have an appropriate disclaimer beforehand.

i think some of the pictures of the medical team working on him are worse than the video itself.

the thing that really hit home was when they showed his entire run. when you can see him before hand getting ready to launch, its just an other day at the office for him. has no idea that in 90s his life will essentially be over.

i think the best reason to not show the video is because his family and friends dont need to be bombarded by this footage for however long it will be.

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02-13-2010, 06:10 AM
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My fiancee has friends that complained that they saw it and really wish they hadn't. No warnings either.

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02-13-2010, 06:51 AM
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The video was really not even that graphic- what was worse were the photos of them trying to resuscitate him. It was quite clear he was already gone at that point. In the end, he probably died instantly; beyond any immediate spinal injury, when your body is going 140 and hits an object, the rest of you continues to go 140. Princess Di was killed by aortic dissection (ie the aorta separating from the rest of the heart) and I suspect an autopsy will show a similar type of thing.

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02-13-2010, 08:16 AM
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I just saw the video on TSN. Although its not "graphic" per se, the fact that the person died is wrong enough in my books. Wars and **** like that, death's and injuries are taken for "granted"-strong emphasis on quote unquote, but for sporting events and such, I think it's wrong. Screen captures would've sufficed IMO.

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02-13-2010, 08:20 AM
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The video was really not even that graphic- what was worse were the photos of them trying to resuscitate him.
i agree with this. the photos were "worse" to a degree and it could be for multiple reasons. coming face to face with still images of the known dead (and him at least looking dead in the photo) is probably one thing. the dead in a spectacular setting makes it more bizarre. when reality breaks through the overly-absorbed spectacle of escapism in sports, it shouldnt be hidden/ignored by the media

people who want it pushed out of view want their cake while eating it too.
"please give me escapism but when catastrophe shatters that illusion, please hide it for me, oh wise media masters"

you also didnt have to watch it when its aired. but here we have people seeking it out through some type of voyeurism to see if its "morally acceptable" then condemning it after. nice paradox. duh.


the real black eye is the design of the track and the event being moderately absurd in its possibilities for danger.


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02-13-2010, 08:33 AM
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The airings haven't necessarily been exploitative (unlike nearly every internet link I've seen so far), so I see no harm in it. The awareness it's raising will ensure that proper homage is paid to his life and tragic death in the way of much more intensely scrutinized safety procedures.

Sheltered media just doesn't cut it sometimes, I'm sorry to say. It'd be much easier for people to brush over if the reality didn't get to set in.

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people who want it pushed out of view want their cake while eating it too.
"please give me escapism but when catastrophe shatters that illusion, please hide it for me, oh wise media masters"
Bingo^^

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02-13-2010, 08:35 AM
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I wanted to see it. I wanted to see what happened. There's going to be so much talk and analysis about it, I wanted the information. It was horrible horrible footage - even though I thought I prepared for it, there's no preparing for it.

But I have no problem with them showing it, provided they give warnings and they don't sensationalize it. It's information. And it's powerful footage. There's nothing wrong with showing the footage; what's gained from hiding it other than repressing information and sheltering the audience from the harsh reality of what happened, the danger inherent in that sport, and the pain we all feel as humans connecting to that poor poor man's last moments?

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Yes because a few reasons, it was short, it provided context, and though violent it wasn't overtly so (ie bloodspraying out or something *sorry*)

However when the first showed it, on CTV, the slowmo replay was a little too much to take.

Look people are going to want to see it, despite how tragic and frightening it is, so they decided to just get it out of the way right there. It actually took alot of balls to put that footage up I give them credit. However I understand the outrage as well.

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Should TSN/SPORTSNET have showen the footage of this young mans poor demise? I think not.

A black eye for Canadian broadcasting in my opinion.
So not even OT???, I come to a hockey site to talk hockey and I am bombarded by self righteous indignation. Isn't there an Olympic site or "***** about the media" site where you could go to post this poll?

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So not even OT???, I come to a hockey site to talk hockey and I am bombarded by self righteous indignation. Isn't there an Olympic site or "***** about the media" site where you could go to post this poll?
I hope the irony is intentional but I fear it's not.

It's olympic break and we're in dead last, who cares really. This is an interesting story.

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Four of us went out to watch the opening ceremonies; our spur of the moment poll results were 4-0 that the video & photos should not be played on that channel since that was a prime time "family channel" since that is what many parents had their children watch...

We agreed noting was wrong mentioning the death & how it occurred; and passing along condolences to the family & his team mates.

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02-13-2010, 09:33 AM
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Four of us went out to watch the opening ceremonies; our spur of the moment poll results were 4-0 that the video & photos should not be played on that channel since that was a prime time "family channel" since that is what many parents had their children watch...

We agreed noting was wrong mentioning the death & how it occurred; and passing along condolences to the family & his team mates.
This cannot be, imo, an arguement against the network and it's choice to show it. It's not as if they launched into the video by surprise or anything like that.

Why is it on the network to make sure someone's kids don't see this? You'd think that would be on the parents, right? With the ability to turn the tv off or shuffle the kidlets out of the room.

Don't get me wrong, there are some good pro and con arguements for this, but the Helen Lovejoy-esq "Won't someone please think of the Children" isn't one that holds water imo.

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This cannot be, imo, an arguement against the network and it's choice to show it. It's not as if they launched into the video by surprise or anything like that.

Why is it on the network to make sure someone's kids don't see this? You'd think that would be on the parents, right? With the ability to turn the tv off or shuffle the kidlets out of the room.

Don't get me wrong, there are some good pro and con arguements for this, but the Helen Lovejoy-esq "Won't someone please think of the Children" isn't one that holds water imo.
I think those against the showing are against it because of the circumstances and how that party views death. As I said earlier, certain events, death is something that is taken for "granted"-again quotations. This is purely an accident and continuously rebroadcasting it seems like a lack of respect for the fallen one. Discuss it if you want, show snapshots whatever but playing it when networks already know its up on the web...seems a bit too much, no?

Context is different compared to saying dropping a bomb or something. Even then, for events like the be beheading of POWs by the Taliban, news stations and people around the world know the result yet they refrain from broadcasting the full video.

Maybe I'm just sensitive to the subject, I dunno. I will admit it isn't as graphic but just not right IMO

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I have no problem with it being shown. As for a black eye on CTV, it was broadcast by hundreds of network across the world, and posted on thousands of websites.

It is a tragic gut wrenching event that happened, I wish we could go back and prevent it with all my heart, but in the end we cannot. Simply choosing to not personally witness the event does absolutely nothing to bring Nodar back.

Then again, I also do not believe in hiding the world and it's brutality from children. I was never censored from anything outside of pornography as a child, and I find myself to be a much more connected and compassionate person that most of my peers. Weather that is in spite or despite the fact that in my developmental years I witnessed the best and worst of this world is unknown.

RIP Nodar.

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Public figure, public event, could have founds its way to you tube anyhow. I would vote for third option who cares. Seems like people today are just waiting to pounce on people for nothing just waiting for mistakes to be made so they can criticise and feel better about their own lives.

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My fiancee has friends that complained that they saw it and really wish they hadn't. No warnings either.
Not sure which network they watched it on then because CTV/Sportnest/TSN gave a clear warning and explanation last night before showing the footage.

Perhaps other networks are showing it now without proper warning but when CTV showed it last night, they gave clear warnings.

Either way, it's a very disturbing video to watch. Very sad news.

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I think the 'black-eye' came when they decided to follow the footage with MuchMusic body shots and drop your gear for beer festivities. I can understand the demand to review the incident and maybe even show it (with a proper advisory warning) However, i struggle with the decision to follow it with the muchmusic garbage.

How many of you think that the networks would have continued showing the crash if the athlete were Canadian or American?

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I think it should be televised, as long as viewers are pre-warned of disturbing footage. It's on the internet already, it's out there. Should they also not air fatal multi-car pile-ups, war footage, plane crashes, 9/11 footage? Maybe they should also not air footage of a house fire because someone got killed in the house? Is the threshold the fact that you could see the body? If so, you should have heeded the disturbing footage warning and changed the channel.
Well the next time someone gets murderd they should show half a head blowen off?

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Tough to watch without a doubt.

The reality is that media has changed significantly. There are cameras everywhere and the incident eventually finds its way to the net. They might as well report it in the news because remember - network stations work on ratings.

i found the way they cut the piece that I watched to be distasteful. They showed him at the top prepping for the run in the starter's gate, then the accident, and then cut to paramedics desperately doing chest compressions on him.

They simply could have warned us about the graphic nature of the accident, shown a clip of the accident and ONLY the accident, then went to a still picture of the young Olympian while narrating the CPR etc.

I wanted to see it, but they gave us too much.

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I wanted to see it. I wanted to see what happened. There's going to be so much talk and analysis about it, I wanted the information. It was horrible horrible footage - even though I thought I prepared for it, there's no preparing for it.

But I have no problem with them showing it, provided they give warnings and they don't sensationalize it. It's information. And it's powerful footage. There's nothing wrong with showing the footage; what's gained from hiding it other than repressing information and sheltering the audience from the harsh reality of what happened, the danger inherent in that sport, and the pain we all feel as humans connecting to that poor poor man's last moments?
I wanted to see it as well, I think. I guess my thing is that maybe they could have made the footage available on there web site for people that wanted to look for it, and not have kinda force fed it to the masses.

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